"I must decrease, he must increase"

[jufa]

Because the past, today, and future's jumping off point is always established in the individual living those events now: remembrance, awareness, and projection are the now of the individual. There is no "beginning of days, nor end of life," There is only now, the continuum of Itself. Consciousness is the life of all that is, Whatsoever is believed, the reality of whether one "goes in and out and find pasture" is totally dependent upon whether the occurrence "I must decrease, he must increase" has become a truth of continuous living of ones daily life. And the belief "there is no more I, but Christ lives in me" has been fulfilled.

When man enters into this parenthesis, it is for the purpose to free himself of the false belief Christ is not the only source of life. A belief of enslavement which finds life, power, and dominion over ones will to go into the continuum of life's reality now. It is in the continuum of now Christ must be realized to be the underlining source of any belief in the parenthesis of matter which presents dualism of two being real, when there is only one life being lived, the life of "God in Christ reconciling the world unto himself."

Christ is man's intercessory Spirit which give him sanctuary in the Promised Covenant made with the Father, by man, before the foundation of his world in this parenthesis of dual awareness came to pass. The Promised Covenant with God which makes man responsible to free the captives thoughts represented by the forerunners of dual personalities who came before. Those men, women, and children who found themselves unbeknown slaves of an indoctrination which shape their destinies subliminally, and which they would enslave following generation with the thought God and man are separated.

Man's purpose is the same as that of Jesus. To find and become the way, the truth and the life of the risen Christ in him. To proceed into the depth of his living conscious, surrender himself to the Christ who says: "Behold, I make all things new. . .Write, for these words are true and faithful."

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

[Bob Michael]

Man's purpose is the same as that of Jesus. To find and become the way, the truth and the life of the risen Christ in him. To proceed into the depth of his living conscious, surrender himself to the Christ who says: "Behold, I make all things new. . .Write, for these words are true and faithful."

To surrender to Christ is to get stuck in his limitations and ways of error and thereby similarly fail. One must fully surrender himself to the INFINITE in order to go beyond Christ and thereby succeed in bringing real and lasting light into our dark and rapidly decaying world.

Mankind, or more correctly a relatively small portion thereof, will be saved not by a crucified body but by a glorified body.

[jufa]

Man's purpose is the same as that of Jesus. To find and become the way, the truth and the life of the risen Christ in him. To proceed into the depth of his living conscious, surrender himself to the Christ who says: "Behold, I make all things new. . .Write, for these words are true and faithful."

To surrender to Christ is to get stuck in his limitations and ways of error and thereby similarly fail. One must fully surrender himself to the INFINITE in order to go beyond Christ and thereby succeed in bringing real and lasting light into our dark and rapidly decaying world.

Mankind, or more correctly a relatively small portion thereof, will be saved not by a crucified body but by a glorified body.

Tell me how do you know this if you have not, to quote you:

To surrender to Christ is to get stuck in his limitations and ways of error and thereby similarly fail.

One must fully surrender himself to the INFINITE

The Infinite WHAT?

And please tell me how do you know the following:

in order to go beyond Christ and thereby succeed in bringing real and lasting light into our dark and rapidly decaying world.

Please be as definitive in your answers as you were in your statements

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

[Bob Michael]

Tell me how do you know this if you have not, to quote you: To surrender to Christ is to get stuck in his limitations and ways of error and thereby similarly fail. One must fully surrender himself to the INFINITE. The Infinite WHAT?

The INFINITE, which one must surrender to, awaken to, and follow if he's to ever come to know and experience fullness of human being, is Life in its totality. Which must include its terrifyingly ugly side or the abyss.

And please tell me how do you know the following: In order to go beyond Christ and thereby succeed in bringing real and lasting light into our dark and rapidly decaying world.

By walking perfectly in Christ's footsteps with deep self-understanding and coming to discover the nature of his shortcomings, not repeating them, and thus going beyond him.

If you feel you're a self-surmounter and have been called to serve and are deeply serious about all of this and wish to further enlighten yourself on the matter, jufa, then I suggest you carefully study the following:

'The Antichrist' by Nietzsche

'Why I Am Not A Christian' by Bertrand Russell

'The Quest of the Historical Jesus' by Albert Schweitzer

'What I Have Lived For' by Bertrand Russell as follows:

Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a deep ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair. I have sought love, first, because it brings ecstasy - ecstasy so great that I would often have sacrificed all the rest of life for a few hours of this joy. I have sought it, next, because it relieves loneliness - that terrible loneliness in which one shivering consciousness looks over the rim of the world into the cold unfathomable lifeless abyss. I have sought it, finally, because in the union of love I have seen, in a mystic miniature, the prefiguring vision of the heaven that saints and poets have imagined. This is what I sought, and though it might seem too good for human life, this is what - at last - I have found. With equal passion I have sought knowledge. I have wished to understand the hearts of men. I have wished to know why the stars shine. And I have tried to apprehend the Pythagorean power by which number holds sway above the flux. A little of this, but not much, I have achieved. Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a hated burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate the evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer. This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.

(Prologue from 'The Autobiography of Bertrand Russell')

[jufa]

Bob Michael

Your opening statement totally ignored the first part of your presentation:

To surrender to Christ is to get stuck in his limitations and ways of error and thereby similarly fail.

How do you know this to be true is the question? Your retort

By walking perfectly in Christ's footsteps with deep self-understanding and coming to discover the nature of his shortcomings, not repeating them, and thus going beyond him.

does not answer the question. It only enhances the question of

How do you know this to be true?

Next I asked you to give me a definitive answer to what this infinite is? and again you did not answer the question. Instead you went into diverge mode, which is totally irrelevant about:

If you feel you're a self-surmounter and have been called to serve and are deeply serious about all of this and wish to further enlighten yourself on the matter, jufa, then I suggest you carefully study the following:

Ha, as you, none of what you have presented as a suggestion give definitive answers of your personal knowledge to my questions to you. You can shuck and jive all you want, but the questions I asked you are still before you unanswered.

Now do you want to deal with the questions before you and give definitive answers of your personal knowledge of what you stated, or should I consider

you're a self-surmounter and have been called to serve and are deeply serious

with no answers, just rhetoric?

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa