The self requires an other so that it may have relative existence. It is simply not true that the self does not exist, as you seem to understand by listing things which constitute "who a man is." If that statement is true, then "the other" cannot be a lie, or else I would have your thoughts and memories every bit as much as you do. Yet I can easily concede that there are things which have entered your consciousness which have not entered mine; therefore, who you are cannot be identical with who I am. So there is a relative existence of the self, which would not be present if it were such that I and the Father are one were true of every man. For then we would not even have relative existence.
I answer this below when I discuss where the oneness of consciousness abides. I do not reject the relativity that is caused by sense consciousness, what I do reject is that relativity is the absolute truth of consciousness.
I am not a Bible expert - maybe you could supply verse numbers that support this?
Genesis 2, verses 2 – 7 [I've underlined the important concepts relating to the consciousness of the Son prior to the appearance of sense consciousness and have italized those concepts relating to the consciousness of the Son after the senses are caused to appear]:
Thus the heavens and the earth
were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God
ended his work which he had made; and
he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they
were created, in the day that the LORD God
made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew:
for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
You have to take Christ's proclamation along with his other words. He says that he goes about "his Father's business," not about his own business.
Jesus' own business he left behind was his earthly business of being attached to his carnally-minded friends and family, which included his job as a carpenter, which was of the mindset of the LORD God of needing a "man to till the ground." His Father's business was of spirit only.
When he proclaims "I and the Father are One" he is implying "...as far as you are concerned."
Please give me scriptures to support this view.
This is because he has surrendered his own will to that of the Father - not because he has ceased to exist in any way as separate from the Father.
I am unclear as to what you are saying here. It is because Jesus realized he was one with the Father that he could surrender his earthly attachments, his will, to the will of the Father, he who is the cause of attachments, but who is not, himself, attached. This is the meaning of "mortality is swallowed up of life" and of "God, in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself."
Even less is he claiming oneness with those around him, with the brood of vipers, the Philistines, the poor that "will always be with us," or claiming their oneness with the Father. He teaches them to pray to the Father: "Thy will be done," not our will be done because we are one with thee.
It is true that he is not claiming oneness with their thoughts, any more than I am claiming oneness with your thoughts. This is what I was saying to Dennis in a previous post.
The oneness does not lie in the relativity of the effects of sense interpretation [the mist of the ground of the LORD God], rather, the oneness lies at the root or Cause of the thought itself, the Father and Son at rest-in-motion in heaven [image the yin yang symbol of Taosim].
This is why Jesus preached of forgiveness and of turning the other cheek and why he cried out to his Father “forgive them, for they know not what they do.” He realized that those who persecuted him were ignorant of the truth of the cause of their lust, their greed and their hatred and how to gather the effects of this cause back to its source.
Although Jesus is best known in the west for being the bearer of the wisdom of the nondual I am That, he was not the only sage bearing wisdom of this truth. From "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upanishads:"
Two words that are of paramount importance in grasping the Upanishads are Brahman and Atman. The Brahman is the universal spirit and the Atman is the individual Self. Differing opinions exist amongst scholars regarding the etymology of these words. Brahman probably comes from the root brh which means "The Biggest ~ The Greatest ~ The ALL". Brahman is "the infinite Spirit Source and fabric and core and destiny of all existence, both manifested and unmanifested and the formless infinite substratum and from whom the universe has grown". Brahman is the ultimate, both transcendent and immanent, the absolute infinite existence, the sum total of all that ever is, was, or shall be. The word Atman means the immortal perfect Spirit of any living creature, being, including trees etc. The idea put forth by the Upanishadic seers that Atman and Brahman are One and the same is one of the greatest contributions made to the thought of the world.
One could easily replace "Brahman" with "Father" and "Atman" with "Son."
You have yet to reply to:
I have given you my wisdom of the law of the Spirit of life, I am, which nullifies belief in two or multiple minds. If you reject this wisdom, please define for me the law or principle a man would follow so that he can harness his multiple minds to run as a team, to become as one.