Talking Ass wrote: As I understand it, David and Kevin and Dan all suffered as men. Their suffering in relation to led them to their path, and David describes his path as his 'life work'. That is pretty serious, I mean serious as a commitment and as self-definition (it just occurred to me to point to David's 'life work' through his identification, however he defines it, and Jewish identification as they define it. It is essentially a group of choices one makes, we all make, based on certain assembled 'facts'). I have no argument there. I think we have no choice but to work with 'the facts' as they have come to us.
It would be a 'shame' to expend one's energy in vain reaction (against:-----) when the real question was about excelling in some excellence...or in perceiving beauty...or in expressing it. With that, I would say that QRS and Bob seem to have no organ for expressing beauty. I have a strong feeling that that might be a 'mistake'. But life is composed of mistakes.
The 'lack of egos structure, lack of dreams, lack of confidence and unrestrained optimism' is what I am concerned about, as it pertains to some/many who appear (and disappear) here. And I do not at all exclude myself from this 'problem'. I live within it as I think we all do. I think we need a full palette of tools with which to 'dream'...express beauty...feel the female and the feminine, and define relatedness. I have the feeling that some percentage of the advice offered [by QRS and this neo- pseudo-Buddhism] destroys the link or the path to that. And the lack of a 'pathway' out of Dreary Definitions may indeed lead to "many of the mental diseases as defined around us".
Yes, on one level. But if we were to refer to Nietzsche as an ideal, I mean in terms of his method, we would immediately have to declare, hands-down and with not even the slightest trace of doubt, that no one of these men comes even close to the base of knowledge, or the concern, or the 'heart' of Nietzsche! They can't even pretend to be Nietzsche imitations! Instead, they are arrogating BUFFOONS. To be honest one must simply say this. Not in anger but in truth. If one were interested in Nietzsche REALLY, one would study some of the same material as he. One would undertake this. One would know it and value it."All of life is a dispute over taste and tasting".
No, in fact I do not at all think I've got it wrong. The 'destructive undertaking' presented in PFTH is exactly that: a destruction of things that are not understood. It reminds me of some peasants who find ancient texts in an urn written in a language they don't understand and end up burning them for heat. This represents a lower-class assault on 'higher things' by men who simply cannot understand Value, and therefore dismiss so much very important material and idea because they DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT. I am reminded, not of genius here, but of something out of a Kafka story, say An Old Manuscript. The only way one can relate to such stupidity, such destructive idiocy, is by ridiculing it. Naturally, this is the most insulting thing (to them) one can do because they all seem to take themselves (and what they 'know') so damned seriously!Diebert wrote:It's not like offered advice here somehow "destroys a link or path". You've got that wrong I think. That linkage is being destroyed as we speak by larger forces and tides. The real problem is one of holding on to a failing delusion without being able to create new, bigger ones.
Talking Ass wrote: They recommend a grand cutting expedition, and they cut away so very much (that should not be cut away).
Talking Ass wrote:They seem to give permission to people to perform an extremely radical 'cutting away' act.
Talking Ass wrote: with an imperious swipe of a brutish, unschooled and arrogant arm,
Talking Ass wrote:The only way one can relate to such stupidity, such destructive idiocy, is by ridiculing it.
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