Movingasalways:
All limits are being transcended is the state of the infinite.
Should the infinite step into the finite, it would cease being the infinite. Man wants to blend infinity with finiteness, to have his cake and eat it too; herein is the very core or crux of the appearance of the veil of ignorance.
That is not what I said. Please look again at what I wrote above.
BO1:
The bruising of the heel to the head being crushed is the perceived limitations applied by the transcendent. The purpose is the expression of what could not be without limitation (or the perception of such). We learn to love the limit because without it - no express image or reflection of the face of God.
God is not playing chess - he is playing a very advanced game of solitaire.
Moving:
No man knows the intent of God, the mind of God. Why? Man is not a creator, man is a manipulator of matter. Including all forms of matter that are his thoughts about the intent of God. This is the wisdom of the Father of Genesis 1 [the Creator] and of the Lord God of Genesis 2 [the manipulator of the dust of the ground].
I agree, that is why I know the heart and mind of God.
I know even as I have been known. See - 1 Cor. 13
What animates your body, mind, and consciousness? Is it less than the infinite? Is God sharing his entire being with you?
"God is not a man that he should lie." "My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are my ways your ways, saith the Lord."
We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
However, as it is written:
“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived
the things God has prepared for those who love him."
these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.
-1 Corinthians 2 - selected quotes
He went to sleep in you ;) - glad you woke him up from his Rip Van Winklehood.
No, I, as his emanation of matter, went to sleep in Him. He, as the Christ Principle, woke me up from my Rip Van Winklehood. Now, being that I am awake, I am the activity of consciousness that is "mortality being swallowed of Life."
Same is as same is.
"For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest."
- Hebrews 4:10
The Jewish mystics say that in the creation story is the secret of the universe.
The creation story, yes, which is the story of The Lord God and Adam/Eve, the interpreter of the dust/mist of the ground. Creation Itself, the Father Himself? There is no story in the Father; He is without history, without time, without space and without matter. Clean off your dust, wipe away your mist, your story, and He appears.
I thought you just said:
No man knows the intent of God, the mind of God. Why? Man is not a creator, man is a manipulator of matter.
Man wants to blend infinity with finiteness, have his cake and eat it too
If God created, as you say here, there most certainly is a story. If God created, there was an action with intent.
This is the part you must reconcile.
Go easy on God, its his first time being you.
"For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring." It is not the other way around as you present above.
"God is in you of a truth."
" Christ in you, the hope of glory."
"nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."
" you are in Christ and Christ is in you and Christ is in God."
"Greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world."
Etc. etc. etc.
And the way we can know the mind and heart of God:
"I do not even examine myself ... but the one who examines me is the Lord."
Moving:
I see the consciousness of the Lord God as being an emanation or extension of the Consciousness of the Father, with all that is experienced as Adam/Eve, the serpent, and then, of the ascending Christ, as the Totality of the journey of the emanation, and of transcendence of the emanation.
So you do know the mind of God after all?
Who then, are you debating with?
Yup, God created God. The impossible was accomplished.
God already was God before the Lord God appeared in God.
How do you know this?
There can be no creation at all without limits so we learn to love them. All the while in a state of transcendent lifting of the veil of flesh.
What you are suggesting is that matter creates matter, or flesh creates flesh. If this is so, when we lift the veil of flesh, will we not find more flesh? Again, what you present is the veil over your eyes of believing that the Lord God of appearance, of dualism, is the Father of Creation, of nondual ISNESS.
Nope - you got me completely wrong. Look again please and do try not to put me in a previous conversation box.
movingalways:
The Christ principle is that which comes to set the captives free from the deception of the Lord God/serpent [veiled sense awareness] and shows the way to transcend the knowledge of the tree of good and evil.
BO1:
True indeed. Good and evil is a choice. Even Judas Iscariot was an expression of consciousness as is the Devil.
He is the perfect Devil, is he not? The express image is effected to a state of reconciliation when we can look Satan in the eye and say "welcome; because you also are loved." Then we may hear - from the bowels of darkness echo back " I am love."
Moving:
Yes, Judas was the perfect Devil, not because he chose evil over good, but because he remained in ignorance as to what belief in choice, in good and evil, really was - the appearance of the Lord God of time, distance, space and matter. Jesus had the wisdom Judas lacked; Jesus realized that when the Lord God of TDSM was eliminated from his consciousness, the Father of no-time, no-distance, no-space and no-matter would be fully revealed. This elimination of appearance or illusion was not complete until he cried out on the cross of the illusion of matter, which he bore of his faith in the revelation of the Infinite Father, "it [my finite thought world] is finished."
Satan represents the lie that consciousness/life begins with the appearance of matter.
Well said
Oh - but God did grieve. God experienced pain, that is why sowing and reaping or karma exist. God was suffering and is looking to resolve his own pain, that is why creation came to be and he attempted to finally sleep.
Again, it was the principle of Adam, of belief that matter is real that fell asleep, not the Father of finished Creation, the law of the Spirit of life. If the Father is asleep on the job, God help us all! :-)
He learns a great deal by and through your experience.
Of course. It is difficult for most to think of the Totality of all God as experiencing suffering. I can assure you, he still is. You are helping in that you are expressing the nondual in a state of transcendent being.
If the Totality of all God is experiencing suffering, then, truly, we are trapped in hell for the eternity of our awareness.
Nope - you are the answer, that is why you are here.
No man knows The Totality of God. No man knows about the Totality of God. What man does know, however, is the way of thinking that keeps him on the path of matter-attachment and the way of thinking that keeps him on the path of matter-detachment.
You say this above.
And then this?
The way of thinking of the poverty of spirit that acknowledges that no man knows the will, the thoughts, of God.
You are contradicting yourself.
If all you can know is matter attachment then you cannot possibly know if you know the mind of God or not, true?
I mean, how would you know what you do know?
Maranatha