David Quinn wrote:Iolaus wrote:Anger is love's offspring.
That's because love is the only emotion there is.
In a way, that's true. Anger, violence, and cruelty are as much an expression of love as singing, dancing and hugging are.
David Quinn wrote:Anger is love's offspring.
Depravity can indeed seem heavenly - to those whose minds are steeped in even greater levels of depravity.
Anger, violence, and cruelty are as much an expression of love as singing, dancing and hugging are.
In many ways, violence and cruelty represent a greater form of consciousness than singing and dancing, etc, because they reflect a dissatisfaction which is consistent with having an ignorant mind.
Those who sing and dance, by contrast, are living in a fool's paradise.
In many ways, violence and cruelty represent a greater form of consciousness than singing and dancing, etc, because they reflect a dissatisfaction which is consistent with having an ignorant mind. Those who sing and dance, by contrast, are living in a fool's paradise.
Hugging a tree is kinda different than hugging another person in that a tree (whether male or female) can slap you with its tree limb (with the aid of a wind gust?) whereas a human whether male or female, can slap you with a hand.
Alex Jacob wrote:Once you get the hang of it, brokenhead, you can pretty much predict what David will say. His brand of non-dualism is similar to Patanjali insofar as any modification in the mind-stuff---be it love as strong, tender, emotiion, or anger, or desire of any sort---is a step down from non-modification, which is what 'enlightenment' is. There is no 'good' emotion, all emotions are produced by engagement in illusion.
One might say that love is better than hate, but in this way of thinking they are just poles on the same continuum.
brokenhead wrote:David Quinn wrote:Anger is love's offspring.
Bullshit. Anger is a purely human trait. It arises in the absence of love.
Anger is a purely human trait. It arises in the absence of love.
Iolaus wrote:As to whether they as a race would hit the same curve as whites, or whether whites hit the same as orientals, is a question. So far, if there is a difference in large numbers, it appears the orientals are ahead. Then too, there is more than one type of intelligence.
brokenhead wrote:Iolaus wrote:Brokenhead,Calling Asians "Orientals" would be like calling black people "coloreds."
What? Have I missed the latest politically correct phraseology?
C'mon. I never heard of this. Many times I read in respectable tomes of the Caucasian, Negroid and Oriental races. Asian is used too, no doubt.
oriental (plural orientals)
A person from the Orient, or with ancestry from the Orient.
Note: this term is considered by some to be objectionable in American English.
 Usage notesThe term "oriental", with connotations of exoticism, at one time referred to the people, culture, and nations of the Near East. More recently it has been used more to refer generically to the people, culture, and nations of the Far East. Even more recently, in some places it has come to be considered objectionable or offensive, particularly in its noun form. While "the Orient" has become a somewhat dated term, "oriental", particularly as an adjective, still sees frequent use.
One complaint has been its frequent use by some to denigrate Asian people and people of Asian descent, which many feel has given the word itself a bad connotation. Others object to the term being used as a blanket term for people of Asian or East Asian descent, since that ignores the varied and often disparate cultures and histories of that area, thus emphasizing the sameness or indistinguishability of those cultures and peoples (and in reverse, imputing on the user a lack of awareness and concern for the cultural difference within Asia). A third reason given is that the term is so a vague that it is never clear which countries are included within the term. Most users, however, do not employ the term with any malicious intent whatsoever, and view it as a convenient and innocent generic term in the absence of more precise information.
Major objections to the term are fairly recent, and so it still sees frequent use, often by people unaware that objections to it exist. As awareness of the cultures in Asia has increased, its usage has decreased. Its occasional replacements, such as "Asian" and "East Asian", can also be seen as offensive by others. It can still be found in the mainstream media, though less frequently than in decades past. When used to describe Asian foods and other products, it raises fewer objections, and this remains one of the most acceptable ways of using the term. The atmosphere of sensitivity surrounding "oriental" suggests that it should be used with caution.
I used to manage a major oriental art gallery in New York and the term "Asian" was just becoming the PC preference when speaking of a person as opposed to an antique. I never noticed anyone reacting negatively to the use of "Oriental." But one wouldn't. Though we live in modern times, the cultured Asians with whom I interacted would have refused to exhibit any sign that an offense had been taken. It would be considered ill-mannered and weak to overtly bristle at a careless faux pas. But the gallery owners were Jewish and mindful of things like this, and I was well instructed in what was considered acceptable. My point is, it is possible to offend and not be aware you're doing it.
And, of course, "chink" and "chinaman" are right out.
Shahrazad wrote:Tomas,PS - Be careful, Alex, he just may try to marshal support (from Cory, Diebert, Carl, Foresta Gump etc.) and get you kicked off Genius Forums...
And that could indeed happen, as Alex does not enjoy being in good graces with the 3 admins like you do. Even Dan, who is the friendliest of the 3, does not seem to like Alex.
Dennis Mahar wrote:Now, I will leave it to you and to Dennis.
Don't go love,
talk it thru',
come to terms with it.
I can see you mean to heal.
David Quinn wrote:In many ways, violence and cruelty represent a greater form of consciousness than singing and dancing, etc, because they reflect a dissatisfaction which is consistent with having an ignorant mind. Those who sing and dance, by contrast, are living in a fool's paradise.
In the end, though, all forms of emotional expression are crude and depraved, and have no connection with spiritual understanding.
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