Alex Jacob wrote:I listen to this doctrine, I examine its elements, I compare it with what I have seen and what I know and also feel, and it does not ring out as 'truth', but as something else. To assert that, does NOT mean that I do not consider it possible that there may be some kind of ultimate reality or a way to understand it, or live in accord with it. The actual truth is that I personally feel a sense of that, but the ethic that 'it' inculcates in me is radically different from what you assert.
Kelly Jones wrote:I don't think Australians (generally) are more likely to be wise, or even partially wise.
Trevor Salyzyn wrote: In your experience, how often does someone's feelings accurately reflect reality?
If indeed the Aussie pop. is 20 million, and assuming a 50% male ratio, that would leave 10 million women. Two enlightened women out of 10 million means if you are a female and were born in Australia, your odds of being enlightened are one in five million. Holy land indeed, if you keep in mind that in the rest of the world the odds of a woman being enlightened are one in three billion.
Maestro, if you are still in your child-bearing years (and I'm pretty sure you are), you might want to consider moving to Australia so that your offspring stand a much better chance of becoming enlightened. This advice is also good for Trevor and Alex.
You are putting a lot of emphasis here on your feelings. In your experience, how often does someone's feelings accurately reflect reality?
Iolaus wrote:The difference between living and nonliving things is will. And will is a feeling. Without feeling, you could not even desire enlightenment.
This business of 'having a conscience' is a refinement of feeling.
So this is why I go for purification, not elimination.
Alex Jacob wrote:When the feelings expressed in this soulful song is redirected through the most precise and cutting thought, what comes out the other end? Is it a 'thought' per se, or some elaborate arithmetical scribble?
Ryan, what are the odds of you getting an erection one fine day and boning some hot chick from your neighborhood? Is it greater or lesser than that of a Canadian attaining enlitenment?
'Feelings' for me have to do with sentiments that are right at the core of one's being, but very distinct from 'mere' somatic sensations (hunger, cold, warmth, etc.).
Alex Jacob wrote:I would answer your question a little differently by saying that I don't think we can really understand life if our feelings are not also involved. (We could do science though without feelings).
Iolaus wrote:Women may not have many talents, but it's not for nothing that justice and judgment is archetypally portrayed as a woman. The men who pretend not to be operating with feelings are kidding themselves, something men can sort of do, and women, I think, are virtually unable to do - to really lie to themselves and believe the lie.
The male gift of mental compartmentalization comes with its price.
And here, people aspire to robothood, which is impossible and therefore means that, by definition they are spinning.
Because a person with no 'mind' as we know it has bodily sensations---say someone mentally deficient, severely retarded---but they don't seem to have higher consciousness. They surely feel a burn, or cold, and react somatically. But the 'lofty emotions' that cohabit with 'lofty thinking' are really of another order.
Alex Jacob wrote:'Feelings' for me have to do with sentiments that are right at the core of one's being, but very distinct from 'mere' somatic sensations (hunger, cold, warmth, etc.). The 'feelings' I am referring to are deeply wedded---integral---to consciousness and awareness.
Alex Jacob wrote:Definition of feeling.
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