The Word Of Truth

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The Word Of Truth

Post by elderwoodxxx » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:01 am



The Word of Gods Truth.



The word of God, that is graceful truth is what I know to be absolute, non changing, ever standing, firm and all enduring, eternally loving, forever forgiving, selfless, giving, bountiful, humble and is everything that I have ever stood for, ever wanted, ever needed and all I have ever really desired. It is the key to fruitful blessings, bestowed to all through our merciful creator who is omnipresent, the giver of life that is all that we are and can ever want or aspire to be. Our farther has bestowed eternal mercy for all mans transgressions, iniquities and original sin which creates selfish ego, an addiction of the flesh and outwardly desire, through Jesus Christ our lord who he gave to us for our own redemption and salvation. Jesus was pure and carried no sin. He bore the sin of mankind when God forsook him on the cross and made him cry out to God.


About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"


Matthew 27:46

God forsook Jesus and made him sin against him so that all of us could be redeemed. He made Jesus carry the sin of all ego and then released him through his mighty forgiveness and took his spirit and body home. Jesus is our example of pure selflessness and might. God, the father, the son and the Holy Spirit were made as one and that made us as one also. Mercy has given us blessings of eternal grace so that we through unconditional love, forgiveness and righteousness can see and understand the spirit within us. Gods’ light shines to all and those who see him shine fourth Gods light, with grace compassion, love and understanding. The world of man will be the world of God, for the world of God Is the world of man. Shadows of illusion and fear, oppression and iniquity are the result of mans ego desire. An addiction of ego fuelled by the drug of outwardly desire causes yet more sin. Our ever flowing continuing mercy and forgiveness is given to us through Jesus, while corruption and hypocrisy hardens mans heart. It is time to renew Gods world, to hear and see, understand and know truth in selfless hearts and redemption for all man will make him know that we are all One. Unified in spirit, and eternally shining in glorious peace. Thy will be done. The glory of our lord and saviour, our eternal creator is and always has been known through Jesus Christ, our humble righteous lord of kings and fellow servant, the first born of the dead.

5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
Revelation 1:5

I am blessed to know the Holy Spirit within my human flesh. I know my soul, which has revealed to me the power of our lord so that he can be exalted above all through humility and righteousness, forgiveness and love, through Jesus Christ our lord. Amen!

The Validity of Jesus' Testimony
12When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
John 8:12

Dissolve all shadows of ego desire and darkness with your own free will and see the light. Jesus told the people he was not from the world of man and that,

"If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
John 8:31-32

Many could not understand Jesus for the sin of ego; desire and selfish want made them only know the father of sin, the devil. Jesus told them that if they knew his father they would also know him and truth.

47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."John 8:47

39Jesus said,
"For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind."
John 9:39

41Jesus said,
"If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.
John 9:41

Our desires and ego blind us to truth so in innocence we sin, if you claim you can see, your guilt remains if you continue to sin against God, for you would be turning your back against him. So many people who claim to be righteous and in fact cannot really see truth are guilty. For if they saw truth they would know that selfish ego wants for power, wealth and greed were not righteous acts of the holy.

16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
John 10:16

Our lord Jesus is our shepherd and if we know him we know our father and we know our flock. We know our flock for we know ourselves through giving up all ego desire and giving ourselves in righteousness to others through Jesus to glorify truth and God.

17The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."
John 10:17-18

No one can take anything from you if you have already given it as our lord has already given us redemption and salvation. We must first give ourselves to our lord through selflessness and then we can receive what he has given us. We cannot take or demand for that only leads to death and Hades. Sin of ego selfish desire makes us take that which is not given freely from others leaving us blind, confused and empty.

26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one."
John 10:26-30

And through Jesus we are all now one. For when we hear him we hear the father. When we know him we know God. For God knows us all. Jesus is Gods son and we are his brothers. So all are Gods children. If Jesus and the father are one then so too are we all. For the sin of man is forgiven by Jesus joining all man to God, so we have God in us all, and know God through Jesus, our lord, our saviour, our brother. He who was made a man and carried our sin of man with him. Our iniquities are washed away and we are purified through Jesus Christ so that we may know him and then can know God. We are born of the world and through Jesus we are born of God. So the world is Gods world as Jesus bought God to the world so we may ‘see’ and know him also. Those who doubt him cannot know him and cannot therefore know God. To believe Jesus is to believe that there are no doubts. No doubts means not desiring God, for through outwardly desire we cannot then know him. In knowing him we know ourselves and thus all others, for we are all one. If we do not know God we cannot know Jesus who knows us. So therefore we only know this world of sin and death and greed through outwardly desire of ego and selfish wants.

If you know God is in you, you will know that God and Jesus is in all for all belong to God yet many belong to the world and do not know him.
There is only one flock and one shepherd for all who know him. Those who do not know him cannot see him and can only see the world of man and not the world of God.

25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; 26and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"
John 11:25-26

Lazarus had fallen asleep and Jesus showed the people that through knowing him and God man cannot die of mans world. Gods’ glory was made known through Jesus to show the people that whoever believes and knows him cannot die. For walking in the light of the lord, no shadows can take the body and flesh of man who knows the truth of God, the creator of all things. Our body and flesh belong to the world of man and so we are asked to offer our bodies as living sacrifices holy and pleasing to the lord. This way we may know him and all and relinquish all power of the ego’s sinful façade from this world so that we can bring Gods world to our world. Thy will be done in heaven as it is in Earth. Glory to Our lord, most exalted righteous pure God. The word of God is his truth. The word of man is his deceit; so make the word of man the word of God and truth will become the word of man. Amen!!

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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by Tomas » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:20 am

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It's (the shit is) gettin' deep in these parts :-(


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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by elderwoodxxx » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:23 am

Look to any SCRIPTURE any where in any TIME and if you perceive you will hear TRUTH.
ps.. How deep do you want to go?? or rather how deep can you go?

I need no other encouragement other than what already IS. If you HEAR me then good.. if not question your own desires.
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Ask yourself..what IS a genius.. Are you suposedly self appointed??? Self exalted? or what then?!

pps.. Any more hungry lions? I will buy you a drink !! haha
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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by elderwoodxxx » Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:04 am

Tomas wrote:.


It's (the shit is) gettin' deep in these parts :-(
How is your SHIT? Do you need colonic irrigation?? hahaha
Or rather how is your heart today?... do you need some love sweet soul??

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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by brokenhead » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:17 am

eldewoodxxx wrote:God forsook Jesus and made him sin against him so that all of us could be redeemed.
This is nonsense. Christ Michael committed no sin against the Father. And it wasn't his death that brought redemption, but rather his message, his teaching. If giving himself up to be crucified were the redeeming act, all humanity would be saved. His death was entirely unnecessary. It was a result of the hypocrisy of the Sanhedrin and the Roman domination of the Jews. We should not celebrate his death but be horrified by it. Redemption follows accepting his teaching and living by it. He lived by his own word and was willing to die in so doing.

Having said that, I do enjoy reading some of your posts, Amanda.

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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by Tomas » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:22 am

elderwoodxxx wrote:Look to any SCRIPTURE any where in any TIME and if you perceive you will hear TRUTH.
ps.. How deep do you want to go?? or rather how deep can you go?

I need no other encouragement other than what already IS. If you HEAR me then good.. if not question your own desires.
amandaxxx

Ask yourself..what IS a genius.. Are you suposedly self appointed??? Self exalted? or what then?!

pps.. Any more hungry lions? I will buy you a drink !! haha
Ok, Alex. Keep goading this unconscious woman along.... suppose David Quinn will be shutting this Forum down next :-(

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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by elderwoodxxx » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:46 am

brokenhead wrote:This is nonsense. Christ Michael committed no sin against the Father. And it wasn't his death that brought redemption, but rather his message, his teaching.
I said he bore the sins of all man as man for our new 'covenent' with God. He was a living pure sacrifice, and it was as you rightly said through hypocricy from the then 'church'. Jesus as I and you said was our example of pure selflessness and came to fee the church making a new church within our hearts. Before this the priests had to offer the sacrifical blood on the 'man made' alter. Now Jesus IS our alter.

We do not celebrate his death...we celebrate his 'rebirth' proving to the world the almighty power of our creator, and his new covenent with all souls, leaving an open door to all hearts who beat together and in doing so can walk right up to the door and enter.

He lived by the word of God, by truth which was his word. His example was that he understood the creator and 'Overcame' and sat down with him on his throne as one with him and ALL. Many hearts were too far within corruption to perceive the truth and Jesus through his understanding bought the world of man back to the world of God. As I said man was of mans world and could no longer 'understand' the word of God.. Jesus understood and overcame, bringing consciousness together once more through the example of his teachings which are lessons in HOW to perceive the word of truth, God. Through Jesus, creation is joined to man as one.. It is the divine plan... The trinity or 3 work as ONE. There are always 3 in creation..(SEE theosophy) He also reminds us that we are all gods.. and we have forgotton how far we have fallen.. The power keepers, the hypocricy of the church... always keep the power.. Jesus freed us from them by showing us their corrupt hearts and ways again in example and his body is building up the people.. from his guidence and examples.. It IS the living god as part of ALL. We know that God is in your heart.. for he is the one who searches hearts and minds..And the kingdom of God is for many a state of mind.

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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by Dan Rowden » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:51 pm

Thank you, Amanda, for reminding us of the depth of dementia possible in the Xian mind.

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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by Iolaus » Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:46 pm

Now she's a Christian?
Truth is a pathless land.

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Post by Dan Rowden » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:13 pm

I think it depends what day it is.

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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:00 pm


There's no mystery here: she's all-inclusive.

A bit like death, really.

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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by brokenhead » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:32 am

Dan Rowden wrote:Thank you, Amanda, for reminding us of the depth of dementia possible in the Xian mind
You ain't seen nothing yet.
Iolaus wrote:Now she's a Christian?
Haven't you read her posts?
Diebert wrote:There's no mystery here: she's all-inclusive.

A bit like death, really.
elderwoodxxx wrote:Jesus understood and overcame, bringing consciousness together once more through the example of his teachings which are lessons in HOW to perceive the word of truth, God. Through Jesus, creation is joined to man as one.. It is the divine plan... The trinity or 3 work as ONE. There are always 3 in creation
Doesn't sound like death to me.

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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by Iolaus » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:40 am

Haven't you read her posts?
Umm...actually, they are pretty unreadable but I have skimmed them here and there.
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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:46 am

brokenhead wrote:Doesn't sound like death to me.
Death has many sounds because it's always chomping on the remains of what used to be living.


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Post by Alex Jacob » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:31 am

"Jesus understood and overcame, bringing consciousness together once more through the example of his teachings which are lessons in HOW to perceive the word of truth, God. Through Jesus, creation is joined to man as one.. It is the divine plan... The trinity or 3 work as ONE. There are always 3 in creation".

To my understanding, this is just pablum, or platitude, which is what makes it 'goopy' and 'false'. I am not at all disagreeable to an honest Christian ethic or philosophy provided it has its feet on the ground, but to my way of seeing things this is just a bunch of melodramatic sputtering. Very typical of the 'new-age'.

Again, to my way of seeing things, there is a great deal of hubris and even a sort of arrogance in these expressions, unconscious and unwitting of course (innocent if you wish)and also a 'taking of the Lord's name in vain' (if that is the right metaphor). To live as a 'committed Christian' seems a vastly difficult thing, if one were really to take it seriously. I have only skimmed her writing (you get what she means in just one paragraph, and if you master it you could spit out pages of this stuff) but I don't hear this difficulty of living the Christian ethic being really talked about.

(Brokenhead, have you ever read On the Geneaology of Morals? Or others of Nietzsche's stuff?)
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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by brokenhead » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:12 am

Alex Jacob wrote:Again, to my way of seeing things, there is a great deal of hubris and even a sort of arrogance in these expressions, unconscious and unwitting of course (innocent if you wish)and also a 'taking of the Lord's name in vain' (if that is the right metaphor). To live as a 'committed Christian' seems a vastly difficult thing, if one were really to take it seriously. I have only skimmed her writing (you get what she means in just one paragraph, and if you master it you could spit out pages of this stuff) but I don't hear this difficulty of living the Christian ethic being really talked about.
Well, I couldn't have said that better, myself, Alex. But who are we to judge Amanda's beliefs? And her depth? Trust me, Alex, I understand how the seeker must "hate this world." If you are saying Amanda has not "earned her stripes," as it were, I have to reply that I don't presume to know that. I know a lot of her posts sound like New Age crap. In addition, she's a she - and we both understand the QRS party line on Woman. Not that this isn't hilarious, I'm just trying to cut the kid a break.

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Post by elderwoodxxx » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:17 am

Alex Jacob wrote:To my understanding, this is just pablum, or platitude, which is what makes it 'goopy' and 'false'. I am not at all disagreeable to an honest Christian ethic or philosophy provided it has its feet on the ground, but to my way of seeing things this is just a bunch of melodramatic sputtering. Very typical of the 'new-age'.
It may seem 'goopy'... but this UNDERSTANDING is what many do not understand... As i said in a previous post i have written much on HOW to understand.. through Self belief.. and seeing past the illusion of fear, doubts and darkness..to those who havnt read the rest of my work then it will seem like empty words.. and as my work isnt all typed yet then of course no one has read it and therefore it is taken out of its proper context. To those who do 'perceive' my words.. then you can hear and perceive, you can see and be not blind. It IS of course seemingly empty i would guess as the mind is conditioned to thinking a certain way....as for being a 'christian'.... that would depend on how you perceive a 'christian' to be.. I do not ascribe to any 1 religion... i merely believe in TRUTH. I have quoted from the Upanishads in another post... and my work is in a way.. from the angle of the old universal wisdom religion.. described so by Blavatsky.. http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/isis/iu2-01.htm

While initially becoming self aware i then proceeded to analyse what i had become aware of.. and in so doing i then found all religion..wrote doctrine..looked into theosophy.. found a flaw in humes theory of reasoning..which he himself then acknowledges.. and continued to self analyse through experience... I was trying to find evidence against what i understood.. but in doing so i only found yet more acknowledgement. No amount of analysing and discussing lead me to understand anything other than what simply just IS. I had just finished writing my dissertation.. and so took the academic root of further research to formulate yet more understanding.. I have heaps of writing which i need to go through and form a 1st draft... this is the stage where i am at. I came here just to see what others were discussing, to watch, to learn, to participate.. I do not profess to be any thing other than myself.. and while many may not like my style of writing I do capture emotion and imbue my work with creative energy.. It is a journey.. and of course these snippits i post here are just snippets.. Take from them what you will... but do not assume to judge me.. for i do not judge you. To be wise is to be open and to listen will teach you all you need to know.

If you feel you can spew out pages of what i understand then feel free to do so. but can you spew out pages in HOW to understand it.

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ps.. Above post noted.. and thank you for acknowledging that it is not wise to presume..
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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by elderwoodxxx » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:24 am

Diebert van Rhijn wrote:brokenhead wrote:
Doesn't sound like death to me.


Death has many sounds because it's always chomping on the remains of what used to be living.
Death is fear and anger and negativity.. death is allowing your doubts to rule your mind. Death dies.. To Live is to come awake... are you awake? Or do you sculk in your own shadows?

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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by Carl G » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:10 am

Alex, man, you spew, too. I don't get your coming down on Amanda, Mr Shaman of many paragraphs. Your spiel also tends to be pretty one sided, only different, hers is New Agey Christian marmalade and yours is Amazonian You Toob peyote soup with a Heyoka twist.
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Post by elderwoodxxx » Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:32 pm

Carl G wrote:New Agey Christian marmalade
hahahaha thanks for that laugh.. Is that how YOU perceive it... nice.. and since when do ancient vedic scriptures come under Christian marmalade?? you not read all my writing then... oh to judge!!

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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by Carl G » Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:34 pm

elderwoodxxx wrote:
Carl G wrote:New Agey Christian marmalade
hahahaha thanks for that laugh.. Is that how YOU perceive it... nice.. and since when do ancient vedic scriptures come under Christian marmalade?? you not read all my writing then... oh to judge!!

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Sorry. I meant New Agey Christian Vedic marmalade. The kind made from rose petals.
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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by brokenhead » Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:44 pm

Carl G wrote:Sorry. I meant New Agey Christian Vedic marmalade. The kind made from rose petals.
All on a nice English muffin.

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Post by elderwoodxxx » Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:46 pm

so thats christian and hindu mush then to you.. what about Self.. do you not posess a soul? or have you sold yours... for i talk about ones self belief... and that means NO doubts... know your Self...

“Try to enter your treasure house and you will see the treasure house of Heaven;To him who knows himself knowledge of all things is given.For knowing oneself is the fulfillment of the knowledge of all things"

Isaac of Syria


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Re: The Word Of Truth

Post by Alex Jacob » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:07 pm

"Alex, man, you spew, too. I don't get your coming down on Amanda, Mr Shaman of many paragraphs. Your spiel also tends to be pretty one sided, only different, hers is New Agey Christian marmalade and yours is Amazonian You Toob peyote soup with a Heyoka twist."

There might be many things you don't 'get' Carl.

I like the new 'honesty' movement here at GF! People really tellin' each other what they think.

I have written so many things on this forum, Carl, it is not possible to characterize them in any one way.

How would you characterize what you offer? Willing to take a stab at it? ;-)
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Post by elderwoodxxx » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:15 pm

I must admit im actually getting used to this 'honesty' thing also lol.... just posted up a new topic for debate.. and its especially for you men... logic reason and the mind!!

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