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zarathustra
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Post by zarathustra » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:22 am

Religion persuades otherwise intelligent men and women to not think, or to think badly, about questions of civilizational importance. And yet it remains taboo to criticize religious faith in our society, or to even observe that some religions are less compassionate and less tolerant than others. What is worst in us (outright delusion) has been elevated beyond the reach of criticism, while what is best (reason and intellectual honesty) must remain hidden, for fear of giving offense.

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Diebert van Rhijn
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Re: religion

Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:31 am

In my world-view things are way easier. If someone isn't enlightened, he's religious to the core.

What is left are the paraphernalia, the choice of symbols, how hidden the rituals and how unspoken the beliefs are. It's hardly worth going over the specifics of some other religion and how foolish those people are.

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Re: religion

Post by DHodges » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:16 am

zarathustra wrote: And yet it remains taboo to criticize religious faith in our society,
This is a taboo that must be broken. I got one of the t-shirts seen in this video, but I can't find them for sale now.

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Re: religion

Post by windhawk » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:55 am

New member, just a question: does disillusionment (use that term broadly: disrespect, laughability, insanity...you get my drift), imply that one is fundamentally a seeker who has not found a path, or perhaps a rationalist who see's niether a purpose or a need for God.

Remember Jung's words: The idea of God is an absolutely necessary function of an irrational nature, which has [absolutely] nothing to do with the question of God's existence.

As I said, newbie...

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Tomas
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Re: religion

Post by Tomas » Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:19 pm

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It's a slow day :-(




-rabbi m m-
zarathustra - Religion persuades otherwise intelligent men and women to not think, or to think badly, about questions of civilizational importance.

-tomas-
This is unknown.




-rabbi m m-
And yet it remains taboo to criticize religious faith in our society, or to even observe that some religions are less compassionate and less tolerant than others.

-tomas-
Get the government 501(c)3 waiver, and start your own "religion"...




-rabbi m m-
What is worst in us (outright delusion) has been elevated beyond the reach of criticism, while what is best (reason and intellectual honesty) must remain hidden, for fear of giving offense. z

-tomas- Not in your very own Innermost Chamber (recessed cloakroom)... all covered in the 501(c)3 10% tithe. The "Holy Man" is required to file with the IRS to become the registered agent to collect the Revenue (10% tithe) and sign the Limited Liability Clause swearing allegience to the government body (as a whole).So, go for it!... start your own religion. All you need is the 501(c)3 waiver... Hey! Why collect a paycheck from the Government, let your religious followers tithe you to Nirvana, in this life... and theirs!

ps- I'll make (tithe) some sizable tax-deductible "monetary gifts" to your religious enterprise. The Church of The Wisdom (the brothelite)



The Downer... see below

(articles of) Incorporation A Must

President
Vice-President
Secretary
Treasurer - 501(c)3 overseer




-Edit One-
Misspelled "religion" - my bad...



Peace,


Tomas (the tank)
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It' a slow day :-(


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Re: religion

Post by pen15 » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:47 pm

Deluded people are more productive than rational people. People can achieve a lot within their delusions, and when they coincide with other people's delusions, then their delusions become less of a delusion. As for your rational delusions, well, I cannot find any flaws with them whatsoever. At least they work for you.

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Re: religion

Post by Dan Rowden » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:21 pm

What is the end result of deluded person productivity? And why can't the real benefits of that be usurped by nondeluded?

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Re: religion

Post by pen15 » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:01 am

Dan, now you seem to be trolling me with the twenty-question treatment. To make it a little easier for myself, the answer to every question which crosses your mind is "yes."

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Re: religion

Post by Eclipse » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:52 am

Obviously, religion is meeting needs that philosophy isn’t...

for people who don’t know what’s going on or don’t know what’s good for them...

because of religion.

Religion will have to solve its own problems – like everything else in the world.

Isn’t it really me? Isn’t it how I’m applying religion?

If I don’t know what’s good for me I can:

a) Be sociopathic, by deadening my soul, by letting the group or religious rules decide what’s good for me.

Or, (this is important, now!)

b) Understand that me not knowing what is good for me is to say that there is goodness within me that I do not know. By searching the very centre of my being that I do not know, I begin to know it.


I cannot abandon religion in whatever form because those ideas are still operating within me. I can, however, have them function usefully.

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