Synchronicity: Fact or Fraud?

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Synchronicity: Fact or Fraud

Postby GrandInquisitor » Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:28 am

Thats why I consider a feminine person unconscious and irrational.


I say BRAVO, to all of you. And just wondering did you come to that conclusion, with your conscious or unconscious sex-deprived ego.
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Postby Elizabeth Isabelle » Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:15 am

David wrote:
The power of single-mindedness should never be underestimated.

Phrased that way, I find that to be extremely truthful. I glimpse the power of single-mindedness, and I have a separate category of honorable respect for those who determine that there is something so much more important to them than anything else that they should be single-minded, as opposed to use their ability to be single-minded for a limited time to accomplish a specific goal.

I still hold my other position, that there is great value in diversification, in addition to the new position that I share with you. My other position includes the ability to be single-minded for a necessary period of time, but to have a diverse array of tools to accomplish a wider variety of achievements. Some would call that "well balanced" but even partial diversity can have a synergistic effect.

David asked:
What do you mean by multi-tasking in this context?

in response to my:
The ability to think non-emotionally is remarkably valuable. If one must be single-minded to achieve non-emotional thinking, then yes, I now see where that could be a valid choice. A well-balanced person can multi-task it though.

I meant that some people can put more into their lives (enough more that they would obviously not be single-minded) and still find periods of time when chosen emotions pleasurably enhance chosen activities.

AlyOshA quoted Calvin Coolidge:
Quote:
Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.


That does expound nicely on David's
The power of single-mindedness should never be underestimated.


Corey posted:
What makes you think feelings are conscious of the people who feel them?


Quote:

Eliz: I think we can develop a skill for consciously feeling.


To me that sentence means: “we can be conscious of feeling”. (which is exactly what I originally said)

What is it you mean Eliz?

Are you advocating that we become 1) conscious of what we are feeling?

Or are you advocating 2) that we become conscious that our feelings are conscious of us?


I did not read that literally enough. I got so absorbed in this board last night that I neglected to go to bed until after 3 a.m. I am advocating that I set an alarm to remind myself to go to bed before my mind falls asleep. I agree with what you said - choice #1.
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Postby Cory Duchesne » Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:23 am

Cosmic Prostitute wrote:

Cosmic P: I don’t want anything out of life besides basic necessity


What are the the basic neccesities according to you?
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Postby Ryan Rudolph » Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:05 am

Cory wrote:

What are the basic neccesities according to you?


Basic Necessity as it applies to a sage:

1. minimal food
2. clothes
3. minimal shelter


And of course the further essentials:
the resources to play/explore like a child – and a relationship with others.

And the means to which a thinker plays/explores should be as little friction as possible.
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Postby Cory Duchesne » Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:52 am

Grandinquisitor,

Cory: Thats why I consider a feminine person unconscious and irrational.

Grandinquisitor: I say BRAVO, to all of you. And just wondering did you come to that conclusion with your conscious or unconscious sex-deprived ego?


Consciousness would be relatively or absolutely sex-deprived by definition, since being sexual is a state of unreflectiveness and delusion. The greater the degree of consciousness, the greater the degree of sexual deprivation.

It looks like that Alyosha guy could benifit from a little deprivation....

But GrandInquisistor.....I sense your favoring and taking sides with Alyosha.....hmmm......kind of like the 'hand' of the man with an errect penis tends to take sides with and favors his errect penis....

G.I. being the hand............alyosha being the penis.


Hey Alyosha, Grandinquisitor seems to be your kindered spirit or something, and you know, I'm really glad there is someone on this board who is supportive of your views and arguments Alyosha. I sense the G.I. really admires you.

I'm sure you two will get along just great.......in the same way a mans hand gets along with his errect penis of course.....


[Ah, Adam. I'm just roughing ya up old boy - no hard feelings. You know, if you can't take a few rubs, how will you ever be polished? And no, not that kind of rubbing adam... Put that lubricant away!]
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Postby AlyOshA » Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:07 pm

But don’t you see. I think GrandInquisitor just joined this forum to fuck with me. I feel he is either an enemy from my past… Or a new enemy. Or as he suggests maybe he’s the devil. But I am fully involved in a project right now and I have to take a brief leave of absence (from this forum). I will return some day soon. In the mean time, I hope this GrandInquisitor doesn’t find me and kill me. Oh and Mr. GrandInquisitor it will do you no good to email my personal address on this forum anymore, I don’t respond to the personal emails and your intellectual threats are rather harmless. Later y’all it’s been an incredible learning experience so far.
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Postby AlyOshA » Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:12 pm

Or is GrandInquisitor an existing writer on this forum that took my joke about pretending to be Cosmic Prostitute a little too seriously? It doesn't concern me in the slightest.
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Synchronicity: Fact or Fraud

Postby GrandInquisitor » Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:59 pm

But GrandInquisistor.....I sense your favoring and taking sides with Alyosha.....hmmm......kind of like the 'hand' of the man with an errect penis tends to take sides with and favors his errect penis....

G.I. being the hand............alyosha being the penis.


Hey Alyosha, Grandinquisitor seems to be your kindered spirit or something, and you know, I'm really glad there is someone on this board who is supportive of your views and arguments Alyosha. I sense the G.I. really admires you.

I'm sure you two will get along just great.......in the same way a mans hand gets along with his errect penis of course.....


[Ah, Adam. I'm just roughing ya up old boy - no hard feelings. You know, if you can't take a few rubs, how will you ever be polished? And no, not that kind of rubbing adam... Put that lubricant away!]


Just a quick and simple question to the owner/s of this site. Is this business as usual here or do I dare to expect more “excitement” for that matter?
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Postby Cory Duchesne » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:07 pm

Hey GrandInquisitor,


Alyosha wrote:

Oh and Mr. GrandInquisitor it will do you no good to email my personal address on this forum anymore, I don’t respond to the personal emails and your intellectual threats are rather harmless.



Just a quick and simple question to the GrandInquisitor:

Is sending intellectual threats to people via private messages 'business as usual for you'?
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Postby David Quinn » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:20 pm

The GrandInquisitor wrote:

Just a quick and simple question to the owner/s of this site. Is this business as usual here or do I dare to expect more “excitement” for that matter?

All sorts of things happen here - some of it wise, some of it not. If you really want to know what happens here, you'll have to stick around and find out.

However, the purpose of this forum isn't specifically about trying to entertain cartoon characters. So you may be disappointed.

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Synchronicity: Fact or Fraud?

Postby GrandInquisitor » Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:09 am

Just a quick and simple question to the GrandInquisitor:
Is sending intellectual threats to people via private messages 'business as usual for you'?


Well, Cory, I don’t know what you are talking about; you might want to clear that with poor and delusional Alyosha, maybe on some unconscious level he was dreaming of getting closer to me. I’ve never sent any private message to anyone. What I wanted to say with my last post was more like me being, unpleasantly surprise with a language and hostility between you guys, I didn’t expect to read something like this on the forum with a promising name and introduction, as this one.
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Postby AlyOshA » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:44 am

Well, Cory, I don’t know what you are talking about; you might want to clear that with poor and delusional Alyosha, maybe on some unconscious level he was dreaming of getting closer to me. I’ve never sent any private message to anyone. What I wanted to say with my last post was more like me being, unpleasantly surprise with a language and hostility between you guys, I didn’t expect to read something like this on the forum with a promising name and introduction, as this one.



I know you didn't send a private message Mr. or Ms. GrandInquisitor. I just can't figure you out. All I know is that you must be a lovely artist. A clever, talented artist. And you have sparked so much creative imagination in my feeble little brain. Thank you. Ha Ha Ha. It's so weird how naratives and drama can work their way into everything.
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Postby AlyOshA » Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:02 am

You can't escape "artists" David Quinn. They are like viruses. Soon you'll end up one yourself.
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Postby Cory Duchesne » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:01 am

Ayosha: GrandInquisitor, All I know is that you must be a lovely artist. A clever, talented artist. And you have sparked so much creative imagination in my feeble little brain. Thank you. Ha Ha Ha.


Alyosha, I guess this comment is metaphorical for relaxing in relief after blowing your load?

GrandInquistor jerked you just the way you like I’m sure…..


Alyosha: It's so weird how naratives and drama can work their way into everything.


When you understand femininity and masculinity, it really isn’t all that weird.

Behold the dramatic narrative of Alyosha and GrandInquisitor…..

Alyosha: I think GrandInquisitor just joined this forum to fuck with me. I feel he is either an enemy from my past… Or a new enemy. Or as he suggests maybe he’s the devil. Mr. GrandInquisitor, it will do you no good to email my personal address on this forum anymore, I don’t respond to the personal emails and your intellectual threats are rather harmless.

GI: Alyosha, maybe on some unconscious level you are dreaming of getting closer to me, because I’ve never sent any private message to anyone. I’ve never sent any private message to anyone.

Alyosha: I know you didn't send a private message GrandInquisitor. I just can't figure you out!



Huh? Actually that is weird.

Adam, you can do better than this. Get your act together and put a stop to this desperate silliness.
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Postby Cory Duchesne » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:14 am

GrandInquisitor,

Cory: Just a quick and simple question to the GrandInquisitor: Is sending intellectual threats to people via private messages 'business as usual for you'?


GI: Well, Cory, I don’t know what you are talking about; you might want to clear that with poor and delusional Alyosha, maybe on some unconscious level he was dreaming of getting closer to me.


Wow, you seem like quite the psychologist. Why do you suppose he picked you?

[Hint: why does a man with an erect penis direct his hand toward his erect penis?]

G.I: What I wanted to say with my last post was more like me being, unpleasantly surprised with a language and hostility between you guys


So you responded to the situation with a snide and subtly hostile comment?

Remember?

G.I: I say BRAVO, to all of you. And just wondering did you come to that conclusion, with your conscious or unconscious sex-deprived ego.


Do you always respond to situations that you find unpleasant by emulating the very attitude you find unpleasant? (attitude being: aggressive, sarcastic, snide, etc, etc)
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Synchronicity: Fact or Fraud?

Postby GrandInquisitor » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:10 am

Do you always respond to situations that you find unpleasant by emulating the very attitude you find unpleasant? (attitude being: aggressive, sarcastic, snide, etc, etc)


Yes Cory, I do, do that, not always, sometimes, don’t we all? Mostly when I am irritated, or insecure or just plain frightened. In any case, whenever I do that, never feel very proud of myself, though.
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Postby Cory Duchesne » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:34 am

Hey G.I,

Cory: Do you always respond to situations that you find unpleasant by emulating the very attitude you find unpleasant? (attitude being: aggressive, sarcastic, snide, etc, etc)

G.I: Yes Cory, I do, do that, not always, sometimes, don’t we all? Mostly when I am irritated, or insecure or just plain frightened. In any case, whenever I do that, never feel very proud of myself, though.


Yes....aggression, insecurity, irritation, fear.......are not these the ingredients for a 'pecking order?'

The key is to be conscious of ones desire for a pecking order, of ones desire to single a particular man out and peck him down. To be aware of ones desire for a pecking order, is to be aware of ones hypocrisy.

The members of a pecking order 'generally' are not aware that they are even in a pecking order, that they are hypocrites. In other words, their agressive behavior is unconscious, and they only come to dislike the pecking order when it is they who are getting pecked harder then they can peck.

If their first attempt at pecking accomplished what they unconsciously prefered it to, then they wouldnt have as much of a problem.

But what one prefered and what reality turned out to be proved to be quite different and often one becomes bitter about the pecking order, unaware that one had brought ones misfortune upon oneself.

Do I prefer a pecking order personally?

No I dont prefer it, but I will shamelessly peck a man who pecks me, or I will peck a man who does not respect my values, and I do so without shame.

Unlike many, I know exactly what I'm doing and why I am doing it. I am conscious of my aggression and make use of it when it feels natural.

The moment I see a man who is unconscious of his desire to peck, or unconscious of his disrespect, I peck him the hardest -just to wake him up.

If you are not aware of your desire to pick on certain people and thus aggrandize and band up with others, (in other words, if you are not aware of your elitist tendencies) it won't be long until you are being pecked.

The more unconscious you are, the more feebly you peck, and the more you dislike being pecked, and the more sympathy you start to have for the illusion of your self and other selves.

The more conscious you are, the less you care about egotistical feelings, and thus the less you are attatched to a pecking order. You don't need it.

But others who seem to unconsciously express a desire for it by trying to peck, well, you put them in their place by effortlessly applying your own aggression combined with higher consciousness. They soon learn.

Those who are conscious have very little sympathy for illusion. And illusion is all there is.

One reveals the truth according to the degree of their consciousnesses maturity, and they have no shame for their level of maturity.

How could things be any other way than they presently are?

There is nothing to be ashamed of, and perhaps one is fortunate enough to have a strong drive to become more and more conscious and thus go beyond security and insecurity, beyond good and evil.
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Postby Jamesh » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:42 pm

Personally I fail to see how say someone like the buddha is not entirely feminine.

Enlightenment is like a cunt - it makes the brain into a holistic vessel for taking everything in.

Opposites are funny things. At all times something which appears to be of a certain nature is only that way to a limited degree. Lets look at masculinity. It is a spike that thrusts into the pool of knowing, of reality. However, like everything else, the masculine spike that cuts through the emotional barriers, is a mere formation.

Masculinity is form and to have a STABLE form it must FIRSTLY have a near equal capacity for femininity. The masculinity we see and respect is purely that which is in us which is PRINCIPALLY a balanced combination of femininity and masculinity, but which has a slightly higher ratio of masculinity. With too high a ration of masculinity (or as I prefer expansiveness) then a person becomes volatile and is liable to be more involved in all the stupid and inane aspects of what it means to be masculine – they are too intrinsically masculine and seek things like power, sex etc.

Reacting to experiences with a masculine thrust into some specialised domain, like reality, has the outcome of thinning the rest of the mental person out and the person becomes fragile in other ways. Like a spear they can be broken lengthways by a force coming in from the side, or the extrusions they have from the central block can be broken off - however if the masculinity is in the form of repeated controlled forays and retreats back to the balanced core masculine/feminine nature that generally resides in all people, then they can slowly form an overall nature where their masculine actions in relation to reality are controllable and beneficial. This comes at a cost however, people will lose as much as they gain, though they may not realise what they have given up as the opportunity cost. The loss of Male-female love is an example of such opportunity costs.

The universe is a zero sum game at all times – all that changes is the form. In order for masculine qualities to be exercised a corresponding feminine acceptance or opposing “weakness” must FIRST be available. It is just a question of whether that femininity is found in oneself or in other things or people. All forays into reality, into the so called enlightenment sphere, require the feminine acceptance aspect to be accommodated within oneself rather than by some external body. Enlightenment is really about finding the balances between multiple aspects of one’s own masculinity and femininity, however to achieve such balances within oneself, it does require a greater propensity for masculine behaviour, which is why there are no or few females who are enlightened. The end result of exercising this masculinity though, is feminine in nature.

Relating masculinity to consciousness is as delusional as any other form of biased categorisation.
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Postby Jamesh » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:55 pm

Re the synchronicity essay.

“In building the bridge between mind and matter, the notion of causality must be bypassed in favor of transformations and unfoldings. Causality and synchronicity are not contradictory but are dual perceptions of the same underlying reality. In other words, synchronicities are manifestations, in mind and matter, of the unknown ground that underlies them both. In this way similar orders are found in both consciousness and in the structuring of matter.”

As far as I am concerned the author has made a fundamental error with relationship between the concepts of causality and synchronicity.

In my dictionary the meaning of the word is “The relation that exists when things occur at the same time”.

The reality is that synchronicity is “balanced causality”, not something separate. The fact that it is balanced gives one the appearance that synchronicity is somehow different, as it creates different effects than normal causality, but that is not the case.

Balanced causality is where two opposite forces even out the affect of each other, and thus give the appearance of merging into one. Balanced causality creates thingness. Balances can only give such an appearance when one views a ‘thing event’ in a manner that encompasses the thing as a combined unit, as a One. One is viewing the event from the outside, not from the inside where most of the causal action is happening.

While everything is caused and is a cause, one has to fully recognise that due to things being relative to one another, causes can have different degrees of EXTERNAL causal force, including near zero external force. Causes are not always inter-relationally active, though internally to a thing, when separated into their fundamental nature, they are always active.

The word cause is a bit misleading. The word “Cause” is a Thing –some “thing” creates changes. One should note that a cause is the result of two actions that are opposite in their nature and that the casual part is only where there is not a complete balance between the two forces – one force will be slightly stronger than the other, but the bulk of the force will be captured by its opposite. Things and properties occur only as a result of differing ratios of the two forces.

(the above wont make much sense unless you understand my force-duality theory)
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Atheist Sees Image of Big Bang in Piece of Toast

Postby Tomas » Thu May 01, 2008 5:18 am

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David Quinn - There is plenty of mystery in my life. For example, what happened before the Big Bang? How will the observable universe end? Will the human race survive the next hundred years? Why are people so resistent to truth? And so on. There are loads of mysteries of this kind, and always will be.

But stepping away from all this and taking in the bigger picture, I can't really describe God itself as a mystery. I can use terms like glory, magnificence, timelessness, omnipotence, freedom, spontaneity, joy, and so on, in connection to God - but not mystery, no.

A mystery is basically an unresolved problem. But once you perceive the formless nature of God, you realize the great truth that there is essentially nothing to resolve.

........

Atheist Sees Image of Big Bang in Piece of Toast (see image of toast)

To the surprise of many, the UK National Atheist Association has asked its members not to pay attention to the story despite its potential to inspire less faith. "Given what the religious believe already, this is an easy sell" said one disgruntled activist who said he was going to Huddlesfield anyway noting that "Seeing is not believing". (see image of toast)

http://www.satireandcomment.com/0208toast.html

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Re: Synchronicity: Fact or Fraud?

Postby Ryan Rudolph » Thu May 01, 2008 10:16 am

wow, this is an old thread... I've changed a bit since this one....
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Re: Synchronicity: Fact or Fraud?

Postby Tomas » Thu May 01, 2008 10:21 am

Ryan - wow, ... I've changed a bit since this one....




-tomas-
Had-tuh find some place to put the toast article, by perchance, David's comments were most satisfactory.


Big Bang in this piece of toast? (see toast image)

http://www.satireandcomment.com/0208toast.html



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Re: Synchronicity: Fact or Fraud?

Postby maestro » Thu May 01, 2008 11:10 am

Tomas wrote:David Quinn - There is plenty of mystery in my life. ..... Why are people so resistant to truth? And so on. There are loads of mysteries of this kind, and always will be.

Gurdjieff can solve this mystery for you.
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Re: Synchronicity: Fact or Fraud?

Postby tek0 » Thu May 01, 2008 2:50 pm

Perhaps it was just my mind at the age of 11 but I realized the core pupose of a human beings life at that point.

From cause and effect to imperical action it seemed to flood in all at once within a matter of 60 seconds or more with no outer prompt.


Something you would not understand unless it happened to you I guess.


Very deep.


Although the nature of human created reality does infringe on that and yet it was invaluble knowledge that flooded into my mind at that point without any prompt or any adult telling me.

It was advanced and yet the nature of anyones life would be sufficient to overshadow or contaminate such pure thoughts.

It had to do with learning and recognizing any cognition in such a form as to never forget why such processing was allotted at that precise moment as a model of what it should be from that point on.

Needless to say my environment nor the people around me never came close to such a notion.





From there I have absorbed and sought to understand various aspects of life as best I can under the terms we understand human life to operate under.


My ancestors were german/ nordic so I would guess not often fools.
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Re: Synchronicity: Fact or Fraud?

Postby tek0 » Thu May 01, 2008 3:27 pm

I wish it and you luck and for god sakes cherish those close to you who come even close to your level of mental being.
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