Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:41 am
Ah, thank you for the passive aggressive humor. I really love that. Especially over the internet, where it's so easy to understand what the person is actually saying.
Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment
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Thanks Scott for some meaningful info about the matter. I myself have felt the bio electric energy througout the body, and specifically in the spine and the brain. It is there only with a deeply peaceful mind. However the experience is always mild and pleasant. In contrast, the classical description of kundalini seems frightening, like electric shocks and traumatic pains and aches and fear of death. My experience is one of pure and unadulterated bliss. And as it accompaines a calm and clear mind, I would say that someone enlightened ought to experience it a lot more than a normal person.sschaula wrote: Anyone who becomes enlightened experiences the kundalini, because the signs and symptoms of kundalini is simply the physical effects of the enlightenment process.
I'd say that kundalini is honesty. The more deeply honest you are with yourself, the more that you are purifying your body/mind. If you are being honest and see yourself doing something stupid, like hating someone for no good reason, and you actually contemplate and confront that stupidity...well that is the real work of kundalini. Not this crap about having mystical experiences.
Yes I thought that and, thereby wrote it. I see very clearly that conscious thinking is mostly noninnovative. However thinking can be innovative if applied steadily over a long period of time, even then the insights somehow seem to pop into the brain(this kind of thing works in the scientific theoretical pursuits). Maybe conscious thinking is slower than the unconscious thinking process, which is forced to process the thoughts if steadily kept in the conscious mind.Sapius wrote: Ankit, I really don’t know what to say. Either you did not understand what I said, or that you like to simply be one up. Essentially you are saying the same thing that I said, in different words though, and are NOT ready to accept that you ARE necessarily ‘thinking’ in even saying what you say, and somehow you find that useless.
I equate thinking with using the logical portion of the mind. Is it then not possible to be conscious without thinking?So in your opinion, would sitting under a tree, and “thinking†that “I†am Not thinking leads to clarity of thought - the ‘MIND’? Which necessarily means ‘thinking’ in the first place, and is not an ‘object’ in any sense of the word, and cannot be gotten rid of as long as you are a conscious thing. Reaching a supposed “non-consciousâ€, or “non-thinking†state is impossible, because, if at all one could be in such a state and knows about it, then he is necessarily aware of it, which necessarily means that he is conscious while assuming that he is not. A “non-thinking†state is not possible unless one is unconscious, and one can never be aware of unconsciousness. Have you ever been under anesthetics? Try it; you will know what I mean. Under a doctors supervision though, no drugs.
"Right" for me is graceful, effortless and painless, without contradictions, wrong is its opposite.Well, you just contradicted yourself in that, because, tell me, as far as human attributes go, (I take it you do consider yourself to be a human rather than a cow); once you have “observedâ€, what is involved in “experimentations†and setting things “right†from “wrongâ€? Instincts? Heavenly revelations?
Very easy to see what is wrong, observe it in real action and compare with the previous notions. Reality wins, where is the need of the conscious thought process in the whole equation.And how are you going to remove the preconditioning and SEE that the initial premises are wrong if you don’t THINK about and over THEM it self? Your conclusion, and may be thence rejection of “thinking†as a non-innovative tool also required some THINKING; if you cannot SEE THAT, then I can say nothing more.
Literally?I can still feel the after-shocks of having my heart chakra opened; literally, my soul burst through a red ring of fire and lay on the other side shaken with the force and pleasure of an orgasm through my chest.
I think a severe experience is caused by the knotted stress, but a kundalini experience doesn't need to always be so severe. Think of a stream of water flowing with no obstructions...the surface will be fairly calm. And now think of a stream with rocks in the midst of it...the surface will have a lot of ripples. It's the same way with our physiology. When there's an emotional obstruction (like stress) manifesting in the body, in the way of the flow of kundalini, it will undoubtedly be quite the experience to have to have the energy pierce through the obstruction.I wonder how much a role stress plays in the kundalini experience. It could be that it is something which only really happens to highly-stressed people, where the knotted stress within the body is suddenly unleashed.
When I had my momentary shift in consciousness and energy, I was well aware that it wasn't enlightenment...but I began believing it. I posted to this forum that I was enlightened and couldn't achieve anything else (you may recall those times, David)...but really such great experiences are only that...experiences. There still exists our delusions to deal with.This could easily shock the mind into an altered state of consciousness, just as drugs or a near-death experience sometimes can, which would explain why the connection with enlightenment is often falsely attributed to it.
Yeah, like I said, I recently had this guru who didn't seem to work out for me. It becomes a game about power. She may have been enlightened, but sometimes you need to follow your heart and trust your gut instincts. Surrendering to the guru is just plain stupid, in my opinion. What should be surrendered is your control and self to God...and not your free will to another human being. So I've kind of forsaken the guru/chela mentality, and instead believe that all information should be free and if someone is enlightened they should act as more of a help line. Someone to go to if you have questions, regardless of what they are. Someone to go to for help if you need it, who asks nothing of you. Someone who doesn't require anything from you for their services.I haven't yet met anyone who claims to have had a kundalini experience and is any wiser for it - and that includes Brokenhead above.
Although I hope Brokenhead gives his own input, but I can answer that question as well...yes! These are actual feelings percieved in the body. Like I said, they're due to chemical and hormonal reactions.Brokenhead wrote:
I can still feel the after-shocks of having my heart chakra opened; literally, my soul burst through a red ring of fire and lay on the other side shaken with the force and pleasure of an orgasm through my chest.
David asked:
Literally?
Don't take a jest to heart, Scott. :)sschaula wrote:Ah, thank you for the passive aggressive humor. I really love that. Especially over the internet, where it's so easy to understand what the person is actually saying.
oh yes i agreeIt only makes sense knowing this that the wise and serene person will be perfectly healthy. And the perfectly healthy person will be closer to wisdom and serenity, than a person full of diseases. I think even the stupidest people are aware of this, because people are all unconsciously attracted to healthy individuals.
Thinking about truth, without the necessary total shift in consciousness, so that all obstructions to truth are gone, doesn't result in people being attracted to you. It makes you lonely.
But it's said that one of the traits of a Buddha is that people follow him.
Stress can do interesting things in the mental realm. It used to be that when I was under extreme stress for about a week, I would hear other people's thoughts. It was their real thoughts, not something I thought I heard, because I would answer them as if they had spoken aloud, and they would look frightened as they asked how I knew they were thinking that. I don't get that stressed out anymore.I wonder how much a role stress plays in the kundalini experience. It could be that it is something which only really happens to highly-stressed people, where the knotted stress within the body is suddenly unleashed.
"sounds of electrical currents" could be tinnitus, and that and the rest of they symptoms sound like a mild form of poisoning. Are you sure it wasn't just some bad fish or something?then could pick up on the sounds of electrical currents in the house I was at. As a result of that, my stomach became very bloated, my feces became bubbly, my urine very yellow despite drinking a lot of water, and my mind "up in the clouds".
Agreed. Kundalini isn't related to seizures or epillepsy.Seizures, if they go on for too long, harm parts of the brain and cause one to lose intelligence, not gain any.
Well, since I don't take drugs and I'm not epilleptic...I'd say that my perceptions of increased conscious activity are pretty legitimate. I think if I were to be hooked up to a brainwave sensor, there'd be a lot of activity in the upper levels of the waking state (Alpha brainwaves).Seizures and the effects of drugs have similarities, so it could be similar to one having a feeling of expanded conciousness after the use of a drug when in fact the opposite is true.
I guess only by experiencing it for themselves, and at the same time applying modern scientific principles to the experiences. I'm quite sure that the increased wakefulness is due to some sort of hormone being released.It is possible that the kunkalini experience is similar or quite different, but how would one know for sure?
Good. Sometimes it's more than enough to hear our own thoughts.Stress can do interesting things in the mental realm. It used to be that when I was under extreme stress for about a week, I would hear other people's thoughts. It was their real thoughts, not something I thought I heard, because I would answer them as if they had spoken aloud, and they would look frightened as they asked how I knew they were thinking that. I don't get that stressed out anymore.
This point I want to make very clear...I know with absolute certainty that it is not tinnitus. This sound originated from my heart area, and through the spinal nerve into the space between my ears. That's where the sound was "heard". I could also hear the subtle sound in each ear, which is generally due to blood vessels being close to the tympanic membrane...not earwax. My ear canals are quite clean and open. Also I don't listen to loud music."sounds of electrical currents" could be tinnitus
No, I was eating my regular stuff. My yoga practices had intensified, to the point where I was purifying quite a bit. I am almost certain that this is the case, because lately I've been experiencing the same things after upping my practices again.and that and the rest of they symptoms sound like a mild form of poisoning. Are you sure it wasn't just some bad fish or something?