Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

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"Industrial Society" = people

people= dumb people

These problems cannot be solved while people are sheep, we need awakenings and to focus on changing education if you want to do anything that's the only place you can. Evil/ignorance just changes avenues otherwise.
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Oh-hush-little puppy!
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I am a philosopher:(
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LOL

I believe you Merlin, benefit of the doubt, tell me your philosophy
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The dreams of reality.
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The room keeps getting smaller and when loneliness kicks in, that is ultimate reality!
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Wait a minute! You'll get it:/
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Merlin wrote:The dreams of reality.
Sounds like something similar to what I might say haha, although you would have to elaborate for me to know. (without purposefully obscuring your meanings)
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"The fight is not given to the weak nor to the strong but to he that endure to the end."

Paul
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Five Elephants were run over by a train in the state of Orissa in India yesterday.

One of them was a female in advanced stage of pregnancy whose foetus came out as the train hit the mother.

The world will celebrate one more New Year's Eve today......After torturing, slaughtering and decimating millions of species this world will celebrate yet another New Year today.
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After destroying planet Earth.....After destroying most of the biodiversity and ecosystems, Industrial Society should be in Mourning but it wants to Celebrate instead.

It wants to Celebrate Diwali, Christmas, New Year and Hundreds of other Festivals.

If Industrial Society had any shame there would have been no Celebrations in the past , no celebrations for the next thousands of years.....only Mourning.

Industrial Society has decimated millions of Animal Species, destroyed Forests, poisoned Rivers, Oceans, Soil and Sky with Billions of Tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste.

Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.

Celebrate!!!....Celebrate!!!....Celebrate!!!

Celebrate Diwali, Christmas, New Year and Hundreds of other Festivals!!!!.....Go Shopping.....Spend Money.....Buy Gifts....Buy thousands of consumer goods and services.....Promote and Accelerate Industrial Activity which will kill even more Biodiversity and Ecosystems.

And then wait for next year to celebrate the death of nature once more.
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Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

Industrial Society has killed billions of farm animals in Slaughter Houses and billions of wild animals in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of animals.

Industrial Society has killed billions of Trees in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of Trees.

Industrial Activity has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous Industrial Waste.....This waste has polluted and poisoned air, water and soil....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita waste which is a measure of per capita killing of air, water and soil.

Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.
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Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.

This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society.

This planet can only sustain Hunter_Gatherer Society or Agrarian Society.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society....It cannot sustain an Urban Society that produces thousands of consumer goods and services instead of food.
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More than 99.9% destruction of this planet has already happened.....Only the end of humans is yet to happen.

Most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems have already been destroyed.

Species are not lost when they become extinct....Species are lost when they get decimated....Species were lost when their populations dropped from billions and millions before industrialization to thousands and hundreds after industrialization.

There are(were) millions of species in this world....Most of them have already been decimated because Industrial Activity has destroyed most of the forests....Millions of Plant and Animal species have been decimated by Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks, Ports and Airports..

If we calculate the decline in populations of millions of species after industrialization the combined loss will come to more than 99.9%.

Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land have been polluted, poisoned and killed by trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.....The entire planet has become a Toxic Dump.....All Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste that has been produced by Industrial Society in 250 years after Industrial Revolution has accumulated on earth....It has not gone out of earth.

Oceans have turned acidic and warmer and there are oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans....Fish in the oceans have been decimated by Industrial Fishing.

Billions of acres of fertile soil that was the source of food to millions of species has been killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt.

More than 99.9% destruction of this planet has already happened.....Only the end of humans is yet to happen.

A society that has destroyed all the natural resources of the planet will also destroy itself.

After destroying biodiversity and ecosystems which sustained human life for millions of years man will not exist...It is only a matter of a few years now.
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sushil!

If you are still worrying about these things, you have not yet understood.


Here are two quotes that explain what it is you haven't understood:

"The Master does nothing,
yet he leaves nothing undone.
The ordinary man is always doing things,
yet many more are left to be done."

and

"Therefore the Master remains
serene in the midst of sorrow.
Evil cannot enter his heart.
Because he has given up helping,
he is people's greatest help.

True words seem paradoxical"
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SeekerOfWisdom wrote:If you are still worrying about these things, you have not yet understood.
With this, you shift in my eyes from "slightly annoyingly and persistently preachy guy with harmlessly eccentric views" to "purveyor of irresponsible and potentially dangerous attitudes". Like it or not, the problems sushil describes without sugar-coating are real and in desperate need of being addressed. Your assertion might be interpreted to mean, "There's no need for you personally to worry about these problems because humanity is extremely resourceful and I am confident that we will solve them", but even that would be irresponsible, because it has the potential to cause people who might otherwise contribute to the solutions to be diverted - to let "the others" deal with it. In any case, I don't think that that *is* how you wish for your assertion to be interpreted: knowing your views as I do, I imagine that you mean it to be interpreted as "No need to worry because these problems are not even real, because the world itself is not real". And there lies not just the delusional nature of your view, but its gross negligence: being in denial of reality, you are thus in denial of the possibility of solving real problems in our world. "Do nothing" is fine in paradise, but in a broken world it is immoral, a perpetuation of suffering. You need to swallow a big pill of caution: knowing nothing, stop talking as though you have all the answers; doing nothing, stop trying to direct everybody else. You are dangerously inept at and rash about it.

sushil,

Thank you for putting the energy into your consciousness-raising about these issues. I have been grappling (but not with enough focus) with the question of whether it is even possible for a non-subsistence society that is also non-exploitative and non-destructive to exist, but it is clear that at the very least we urgently need to be making every effort to evolve one out of what we have now, with all of the problems that what we have now entails, as you so clearly point out.

I wonder, what sort of society do you advocate for? Can you describe it in any detail? What level of technology, for example, would we retain? What would we build our homes from? What sort of transport options would there be? How would we produce our food? It would be an interesting conversation to have.
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'"Do nothing" is fine in paradise"


Luckily we are in paradise :)

You going to start getting angry that plants are dying naturally next Laird?
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It is as real as it gets,
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"Do nothing" is fine in paradise"
The odd thing is how people don't 'get' it.
How they don't realise their 'thinking' is the trouble source.
There's something they don't know they don't know.
As if under a spell.
In a blind spot.


The handwringing, tears and snot brigade committed to condemning and blaming humankind is a failure to be in every moment.

It might seem paradoxical at first,
but where everything gets sorted,
is in the space that exists between people.

if that space was infused with friendliness as a commitment in place of blame as a commitment.

person to person.

then paradox is replaced by the crystal clear logic of 'do nothing'.

it's not really 'do nothing' because it does everything in regard to having it turn out fine.

(assessment as in does the logic stack up)
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Dennis Mahar wrote: The odd thing is how people don't 'get' it.
How they don't realise their 'thinking' is the trouble source.

Exactly.

Although people hear this and think it absurd: "What am I supposed to do, stop thinking!?"

The thoughts go on no matter what, it is identifying with the thoughts and assigning credibility to those irrational worries and fears that is the issue.
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That post you made yesterday John seems to have disappeared.
It described 'emotional clarity'.
The dissolution of afflictive emotion.
calm abiding.

the space from where listening happens.

do that again please.
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It may have been on that thread with cahoot that got removed. What do you mean do it again? I'm listening
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It involved a story about going to the shops and images of past and future appeared and an emotional clarity remained unmoved,
in the context of 'what it means to be human' was spoken.

you described 'unmoved' as inhumane in context.
it's an access Quinn writes about.

the calm abiding of the unmoved mover.
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As they say, you are not freed until your happiness is no longer dependent on outside circumstances.

Funnily enough!

A quote comes to mind:

"The heavy is the root of the light.
The unmoved is the source of all movement.

Thus the Master travels all day
without leaving home.
However splendid the views,
she stays serenely in herself."
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being-towards-death.

the zoo where you get fed to God.

what's the panic?
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What ze heck?


Dennis, I want to know if you would consider enlightening others a moral action.
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No, it has to be a possibility.
a moral action is a survival option.

possibilities are infinite.
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I'll be more specific, a good action? Although that distinction is only based on our perspective of human suffering. How could you not see it as that?
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Sushil's a dedicated guy - I've known of him for years and he never gives up. And yes, the issues he is pointing to are important, unless we plan on moving to another planet sometime soon. He gets banned and accused of spamming more than I've seen anyone else be willing to put up with. We actually need a few more of these Energizer-bunny types out there playing Paul Revere, because the problems that are coming are real and we're on track to be blindsided hard if we don't start taking serious action soon.

"industrial" society (the society based on the cult of the work ethic and the malignant lie of perpetual growth) does indeed poison everything it touches.
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