Who wants to kill the elderly?

[tek0]

Well since you Australian sages are so worldy and ultimately infaliable when it comes to personal ego I decided to post this here.

You will see extermination of more than just the elderly.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=0




BTW there is evidence that the USA has secretive bases housing intersteller technology in the outback so quantify that with your philosophy.




good night

[tek0]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=1


Short of invasive nanotechnological symbionts they can go [EDIT] themselves.

[DavidHenry]

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Short of invasive nanotechnological symbionts they can go fuck themselves.

tek0....are Rothschild and Rockefeller Jews?

[brad walker]

I'm not so sure about that. With advances in medical technology - disease prevention, drug therapy, organ regeneration, etc - elderly people are going to be living far longer than they used to be and their vegetative phase is going to be longer.

The future looks bright for vegetarians.

[Tomas]

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-tek0-
Well since you Australian sages are so worldy and ultimately infaliable when it comes to personal ego I decided to post this here.

-tomas-
They have "enough of an ego" to use an avatar. How worldly!




-tek0-
Even though he filters it and I have first hand experience how he is in league with the f b i [FBI] you may gain some idea that if ai tech is able to replace specialization in human culture.

-tomas-
Be careful what you ask for - you just might get it.




-tek0-
You will see extermination of more than just the elderly.

-tomas-
Now, (heard on the news yesterday that), some other "famous" person has jumped on the bandwagon and announced, "The Earth has too many humans."





-tek0-
Agent 14 go fuck [fawk] yourself

-tomas-
Faggots and hand-pumpers everywhere!




-tek0-
BTW there is evidence that the USA has secretive bases housing intersteller technology in the outback so quantify that with your philosophy.

-tomas
The muscular body (USA) is everywhere, the thinking brain (EU) resides in London, soon Brussels. The life-force (UN) resides at New York. Eventually, the conscious (World Court), Jerusalem.




-tek0-
ego galore....so frighteNING

-tomas-
The pen is mightier than the sword.




-tek0-
When you ask if you want to kill elders you ask will you kill all of us or just the elders.

-tomas-
No, just the ones who get in the way...




-tek0-
I see .50 caliber in the future of unprotected areas.

-tomas-
Been there, done that. VietNam (1971)




-tek0-
Their choice and yet darpa funds most of the relevant AI technology that is not intended for advanced simulation or navigational technology.

-tomas-
We want the world and we want it now.




-tek0-
Your evolution will not end in your or your childrens enlightenment through inner choices.

-tomas-
True. Birth control is for all age groups. In this instance, the sword is mightier than the pen.



Tomas


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[Ryan Rudolph]

Brokenhead,

In other words, the elderly bring money to your small city and create jobs.

But they are soulless jobs motivated by spiritually dead people. It is the same as saying that crack dealers and prostitutes bring new jobs into the community….you’re not that shallow to be unable to see that are you? I maintain that the only jobs that are necessary are the ones that are required for our immediate survival, everything else is just ego-driven – meaning any job that is the result of heedless pleasure/excitement seeking is driven by ego and attachment, and not rationality.

In a highly conscious society, probably almost half of the current jobs would not be in demand... so they wouldn't exist. However, you could still have a strong free market economy running in a capitalist function without the ego-driven jobs.

Sam,

I notice when discussions like these occur, it's always "those people stealing my resources, being a general nuisance, and pissing me off even though I don't know any, don't care for any and don't want to help those who do." Include yourself in the unconscious, Ryan. You appear brain-dead to me.

I don’t know if you noticed or not, but there are a limited number of finite resources for the species, but humans continue to blindly breed like rabbits, which creates too much of a demand for certain raw materials that cannot renew themselves quickly enough. Moreover, the overpopulation problem creates an extra work burden for the middle-class and the third world. People have to work harder, while resources are depleted quicker to maintain economic stability…. Btw, The fisheries industry is predicated to exhaust itself in the next 50 years, have you heard?

Many breeds of sharks have already gone extinct…

An intelligent decision would be to put a global moratorium on the fisheries by all the developed nations to allow the fish numbers to bounce back....

If Humans would just think instead of blindly blowing their semen into a woman’s vagina, or if they would just think before blindly blowing the wealth of the middle-class in gambling machines then we wouldn't have to be forced to try to correct the problem after the fact. Conscious people are always forced to think for the unconscious and attempt to fix the problems created by the larger collective. Moreover, Living life with intelligence requires a great deal of care and attention to the state of affairs. It requires a serious mind that is concerned with the unintelligent direction the species is moving in…

[samadhi]

Ryan,

sam: I notice when discussions like these occur, it's always "those people stealing my resources, being a general nuisance, and pissing me off even though I don't know any, don't care for any and don't want to help those who do." Include yourself in the unconscious, Ryan. You appear brain-dead to me.

Ryan: I don’t know if you noticed or not, but there are a limited number of finite resources for the species, but humans continue to blindly breed like rabbits, which creates too much of a demand for certain raw materials that cannot renew themselves quickly enough. Moreover, the overpopulation problem creates an extra work burden for the middle-class and the third world. People have to work harder, while resources are depleted quicker to maintain economic stability….

Handling overpopulation isn't about euthanizing the elderly. It is about raising the standard of living and education in the developing world.

Btw, The fisheries industry is predicated to exhaust itself in the next 50 years, have you heard?

Yeah, and it also has zero to do with the elderly consuming too much fish.

Many breeds of sharks have already gone extinct…

So why not talk about the problem with drift net fishing or commercial fishing fleets rather than euthanizing the elderly?

An intelligent decision would be to put a global moratorium on the fisheries by all the developed nations to allow the fish numbers to bounce back....

Suddenly you want to talk about fish?

If Humans would just think instead of blindly blowing their semen into a woman’s vagina,

back to your sex hang-up ... lol ...

... or if they would just think before blindly blowing the wealth of the middle-class in gambling machines then we wouldn't have to be forced to try to correct the problem after the fact.

Try education before euthanasia.

Conscious people are always forced to think for the unconscious and attempt to fix the problems created by the larger collective. Moreover, Living life with intelligence requires a great deal of care and attention to the state of affairs. It requires a serious mind that is concerned with the unintelligent direction the species is moving in…

No doubt. So why the resort to euthanasia before anything else? Do you really think that dealing death to the weak and helpless is a conscientious and serious approach to environmental issues? And you have the balls to call yourself conscious ...

[maestro]

I think everyone should be at least given the right (and the means) to end their life in an easy manner if they so desire, young and old both.

[brokenhead]

But they are soulless jobs motivated by spiritually dead people. It is the same as saying that crack dealers and prostitutes bring new jobs into the community….you’re not that shallow to be unable to see that are you? I maintain that the only jobs that are necessary are the ones that are required for our immediate survival, everything else is just ego-driven – meaning any job that is the result of heedless pleasure/excitement seeking is driven by ego and attachment, and not rationality.

In a highly conscious society, probably almost half of the current jobs would not be in demand... so they wouldn't exist. However, you could still have a strong free market economy running in a capitalist function without the ego-driven jobs.

In case you hadn't noticed, we do not live in a highly conscious society. I'm sure you are not only correct, but probably underestimating the percentage of jobs that are vacuous jobs. What you are really saying, Ryan, is that you would like your small city to be even smaller. You want the "spiritually dead" people to go away. If this isn't what you are saying, then you have to admit that even they need to eat. I do not think that crack dealers and casino workers are the same. How they function in (or prey upon, depending on your viewpoint) society differs. And anyway, I wouldn't be too quick to condemn an enterprise that infuses cash into the local economy, no matter how "soulless" it is, as long as it's legal. The people in your small city thus have jobs and a little money. It keeps them occupied so that they are not beating down your door for anything. Am I missing something?

if they would just think before blindly blowing the wealth of the middle-class in gambling machines then we wouldn't have to be forced to try to correct the problem after the fact. Conscious people are always forced to think for the unconscious and attempt to fix the problems created by the larger collective.

I'm not sure who the "they" is that you refer to here. The elderly, or unconscious people? Equating the two is probably fallacious. And anyway, I think the term "unconscious" is overstating a point, although I have seen people gamble in casinos and they do appear to be in zombie-like feeding frenzies.

[brokenhead]

I think everyone should be at least given the right (and the means) to end their life in an easy manner if they so desire, young and old both.

Maestro, I find myself agreeing with you more often than not, and this is one of the nots. Old people yes. Young people, no.

[samadhi]

I think everyone should be at least given the right (and the means) to end their life in an easy manner if they so desire, young and old both.

I don't know about the young, unless they have a fatal disease. At that stage of life, they are more likely suffering from depression or mental illness rather than having a real desire to kill themselves.

[maestro]

Sam and Broken it is a matter of principle (freedom of choice). After a certain age you should be master of your own destiny. If the game of life does not seem so appealing why cannot you pull the plug out.

[Shahrazad]

Broken,

I'd say if you're over 18, you're old enough to decide if your life has enough quality to be worth living. I'd discourage children from doing the same.

[samadhi]

Well Broken it is a matter of principle. After a certain age you should be master of your own destiny. If the game of life does not seem so appealing why cannot you pull the plug out.

Would you give the means and consent for an 18-year-old to kill himself over breaking up with a girlfriend?

[maestro]

Would you give the means and consent for an 18-year-old to kill himself over breaking up with a girlfriend?

Yes Sam as a matter of principle, it should be given by the society. What one does with the freedom is upto him.

For example you are given the right to drive a vehicle. If you do something foolish with the right, it does not mean that the right was flawed.

[samadhi]

Would you give the means and consent for an 18-year-old to kill himself over breaking up with a girlfriend?

Yes Sam as a matter of principle, it should be given by the society. What one does with the freedom is upto him.

You don't seem so enlightened anymore ... lol.

[Dan Rowden]

People don't need consent to kill themselves.

[maestro]

I think that this freedom will mean people would lead more carefree lives. They would not do things to be just secure/reputable as they can always quit the game. They would be more willing to explore and take risks.

[maestro]

You don't seem so enlightened anymore ... lol.

Thankfully I am not a guru who has to put on a pose according to the expectations of his followers.

[Shahrazad]

Dan, you changed your avatar! What is it? A moon?

[DavidHenry]

Would you give the means and consent for an 18-year-old to kill himself over breaking up with a girlfriend?

Yes Sam as a matter of principle, it should be given by the society. What one does with the freedom is upto him.

You don't seem so enlightened anymore ... lol.

And you sound like a control freak.

[Jason]

Dan, you changed your avatar! What is it?

A picture purposefully chosen to minimize the chance of further parody.

[Shahrazad]

Jason, don't worry. You still have dozens of other avatars to parody. You can do mine if you want. Or not.

[brokenhead]

I think that this freedom will mean people would lead more carefree lives. They would not do things to be just secure/reputable as they can always quit the game. They would be more willing to explore and take risks.

Are you planning anything we should know about? That freedom from consequences is just what makes a man shoot innocent, young Amish school children in the head: he knows he's going to take his own life.

[maestro]

It is not a freedom from consequences. As long as you are in the game you have consequences. The freedom is from getting stuck without any exit in a hopeless situation. Of course if you do a crime you will receive appropriate punishment (to deter others).