GENIUS FORUMS

Cahoot wrote:So, was the question rhetorical?

It was meant as a way to express a belief of what I consider to be the hardest part of true, fruitful, silence - the often constant discussion within oneself which one is identified with as ones own words, but it was also a question to whom that wanted to reply if this is in agreement or not.
I'm not against thoughts as such, don't get me wrong, but I see the trouble being the personal investment, identification and attachment that goes with it - the belief that it is my own thoughts.

Sphere70 wrote:This is a quite beautiful passage from I Am That; Nisargadatta Maharaj which relates well to the above discussion

I'll close our exchange with this one:

• By being with yourself, the 'I am'; by watching yourself in your daily life with alert interest, with the intention to understand rather than to judge, in full acceptance of whatever may emerge, because it is there, you encourage the deep to come to the surface and enrich your life and consciousness with its captive energies. This is the great work of awareness; it removes obstacles and releases energies by understanding the nature of life and mind. Intelligence is the door to freedom and alert attention is the mother of intelligence.

Diebert van Rhijn wrote:

Sphere70 wrote:This is a quite beautiful passage from I Am That; Nisargadatta Maharaj which relates well to the above discussion

I'll close our exchange with this one:

• By being with yourself, the 'I am'; by watching yourself in your daily life with alert interest, with the intention to understand rather than to judge, in full acceptance of whatever may emerge, because it is there, you encourage the deep to come to the surface and enrich your life and consciousness with its captive energies. This is the great work of awareness; it removes obstacles and releases energies by understanding the nature of life and mind. Intelligence is the door to freedom and alert attention is the mother of intelligence.

A damn fine lil' nutritious snack to close the exchange with. A straw of Truth stripped to its naked simplicity.

'a picture is a fact.' -Wittgenstein

m4tt_666 wrote:'a picture is a fact.' -Wittgenstein

and: 'a logical picture of facts is a thought'.

a fact is a concept of thought

m4tt_666 wrote:'a picture is a fact.' -Wittgenstein

He obviously predated Photoshop.

Sphere70 wrote:a fact is a concept of thought

Wittgenstein uses 'fact' only as that "what is the case". No things, thought, picture or concept here yet as he derives them later. It's meant as primal state in a logical space: "the world is all that is the case".

"It is not how things are in the world that is mystical, but that it exists" - Wittgenstein.

A fact is never the truth. A fact is a discovery of mind which always change and moves backwards in the continuum of discovery. - jufa

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

jufa wrote:A fact is never the truth.

Is that a fact?

Diebert van Rhijn wrote:

jufa wrote:A fact is never the truth.

Is that a fact?

no, that's the truth, i think.

Diebert van Rhijn wrote:

jufa wrote:A fact is never the truth.

Is that a fact?

Yes, because a truth express your totality totally. Is there anything of you that will change when you discover yourself beyond the fact of you now?

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

Why bother with any truth that's not actually the case? Feel free to read the exchange again.