Making peace with femininity
- Dan Rowden
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Ah, I see, Olio at its finest. Amazing.
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no we don't see, because what you mean is ridiculous. You're calling for an end of debate to complex issues, there's nothing more idiotic and arrogant and dishonest.Unidian wrote:Case in point. See what I mean, folks?
maybe with global warming because GF isn't necessarily filled with climatologists, but evolution is a bit more easier to argue about, and the data is easier to understand.Better to watch grass grow than to wade into that sort of thing.
they aren't insults, they are accurate observations and insights into the laziness of your character. Nor are they meant to provoke you into discussion, you're not here to discuss, but merely to try and end them.And just a handy tip, a stream of insults won't provoke me into having discussions that I find pointless.
What's more arrogant than to call for an end of discussion to such issues?
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Mmm-hmm. Insulters always say "it's not insulting, it's just a statement of fact."
Well, in that spirit, you're frankly not very bright and to engage you on any subject would essentially be a waste of time. Also, you write poorly and you are gullible.
Well, in that spirit, you're frankly not very bright and to engage you on any subject would essentially be a waste of time. Also, you write poorly and you are gullible.
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- RobertGreenSky
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Interesting that individuals so clearly grasping at status can get away with claiming they're enlightened. Only at Genius Forum. Amazing.Dan Rowden wrote:Ah, I see, Olio at its finest. Amazing.
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how can an acausal system create a causal one?Unidian wrote:I see no problem with a functionally deterministic "classical" world emerging at the macroscopic level from an acausal quantum substrate.
uhh, you said earlier that the quantum realm is the 'foundation' of everything.With a nod to Robert's Nagarjuana reference, I think the whole problem arises when when one tries to make either the "classical" aspect or the "quantum" aspect foundational in some concrete ontological sense.
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How can colorless photons and subatomic particles create the beautiful array of colors we see each day?Faust13 wrote:how can an acausal system create a causal one?Unidian wrote:I see no problem with a functionally deterministic "classical" world emerging at the macroscopic level from an acausal quantum substrate.
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just because it's insulting doesn't mean it's untrue. Infact, usually when something is insulting is because it is true.Unidian wrote:Mmm-hmm. Insulters always say "it's not insulting, it's just a statement of fact."
in what spirit? Showing the flaws of your character? oh ok. I'm not bright? How? By trying to stifle debates about important issues? Oh ok...Well, in that spirit, you're frankly not very bright and to engage you on any subject would essentially be a waste of time.
"writing poorly" is subjective, dumbass. Gullible? haha, by not adhereing to your rubbish of "end of discussion" in important matters?Also, you write poorly and you are gullible.
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How can atoms bouncing around in space create Beethoven's fifth?
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- Dan Rowden
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You think people thereby experience "status" because that's the only way you can interpret things. Those are your filters, Robert; take ownership of them for once.RobertGreenSky wrote:Interesting that individuals so clearly grasping at status can get away with claiming they're enlightened. Only at Genius Forum. Amazing.Dan Rowden wrote:Ah, I see, Olio at its finest. Amazing.
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how do you know their colourless?Philosophaster wrote:How can colorless photons and subatomic particles create the beautiful array of colors we see each day?
Maybe they do something else, and create colour with other things combined. But that's not the same as an uncaused system, creating a caused system, that would require causality!
because they're caused, and Beethoven can only make such a thing because music is caused, and emotions are caused. If music was uncaused it wouldn't be music anymore.How can atoms bouncing around in space create Beethoven's fifth?
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Not entirely. There are conventions of grammar, spelling, sentence structure, usage, and other criteria. You fail at pretty much all of them."writing poorly" is subjective, dumbass.
But yeah, it's still possible there would be someone out there who would find your writing top-notch. Some people will go for anything. "Modern art" proves that.
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Of course Beethoven's creativity was caused. Specifically, it was caused by the motion of uncaused subatomic particles bouncing around in space.because they're caused, and Beethoven can only make such a thing because music is caused, and emotions are caused. If music was uncaused it wouldn't be music anymore.
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- Philosophaster
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Anyway, random things can easily have a predictable result. Generate a random number between 1 and 100. Do that a thousand times. Then average all the random numbers together. The result will be 50, or something quite close. :-)
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I fail at spelling?Unidian wrote:Not entirely. There are conventions of grammar, spelling, sentence structure, usage, and other criteria. You fail at pretty much all of them."writing poorly" is subjective, dumbass.
Why don't you show me how I fail?
lameBut yeah, it's still possible there would be someone out there who would find your writing top-notch. Some people will go for anything. "Modern art" proves that.
Amor fati
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Go into a forum in which people think of themselves as "geniuses" and refer to basic scientific facts (such as evolution or what color is) 100 times. Average the number of times such facts are ignored, disputed, or misunderstood. The result will be 99, or something quite close.
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'bouncing around' requires causality. If particles are bouncing around and interacting with the environment they're causedUnidian wrote:Of course Beethoven's creativity was caused. Specifically, it was caused by the motion of uncaused subatomic particles bouncing around in space.because they're caused, and Beethoven can only make such a thing because music is caused, and emotions are caused. If music was uncaused it wouldn't be music anymore.
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this doesn't refute causalityPhilosophaster wrote:Anyway, random things can easily have a predictable result. Generate a random number between 1 and 100. Do that a thousand times. Then average all the random numbers together. The result will be 50, or something quite close. :-)
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You're right, I retract the claim. Your spelling is good enough. Thanks for acknowledging (by exclusion) that you do fail at grammar, sentence structure, usage, and other criteria.I fail at spelling?
Why don't you show me how I fail?
But seriously, enough of this, don't you think? We've both expressed our low opinion of the other. Let's move on.
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- Philosophaster
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No, but it does refute the idea that acausality could never result in a world that has many predictable elements. :-)Faust13 wrote:this doesn't refute causalityPhilosophaster wrote:Anyway, random things can easily have a predictable result. Generate a random number between 1 and 100. Do that a thousand times. Then average all the random numbers together. The result will be 50, or something quite close. :-)
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That would only establish that such particles are the source of causal relationships. It says nothing about the source or origin of the particles themselves.'bouncing around' requires causality. If particles are bouncing around and interacting with the environment they're caused
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That's not really what I wanted to discuss as it can only ever be a matter of opinion, as previously stated.Unidian wrote:Why?
I see no problem with a functionally deterministic "classical" world emerging at the macroscopic level from an acausal quantum substrate.
However, while we're venturing opinions, I cannot even begin to conceive what acausality is, never mind how it would produce predictable results via non-deterministic processes. So my opinion has to go with the obvious paradigm, operative throughout the rest of physical and mental reality, causality. But I can never prove that there isn't some kind of acausality that does do this at the quantum level somehow, and neither could anyone else.
Tbh, I wanted to discuss the science of the matter, not the philosophy. In that vein, I think this is a false dilemma, being as there is no proof of acausality at the quantum level.With a nod to Robert's Nagarjuana reference, I think the whole problem arises when when one tries to make either the "classical" aspect or the "quantum" aspect foundational in some concrete ontological sense.
With regards to Robert's reference and commentary, I wanted a discussion about the conventional, that's all. Nothing to do with absolutes, just the science and its interpretation. I can't imagine why anyone would think otherwise, going off what I've said.
- RobertGreenSky
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And you aren't concerned about status because you're above it all? If you want to play 'Big Dan Rowden is enlightened' you've sure got your chance with Nagarjuna on causality, a far easier way for you to prove the matter than the mere posturing that you're beyond it all.Dan Rowden wrote:You think people thereby experience "status" because that's the only way you can interpret things. Those are your filters, Robert; take ownership of them for once.RobertGreenSky wrote:Interesting that individuals so clearly grasping at status can get away with claiming they're enlightened. Only at Genius Forum. Amazing.Dan Rowden wrote:Ah, I see, Olio at its finest. Amazing.
Do you tell your friends at the pub you're enlightened? 'Why sure you are there, Danny, sure you are. Barkeep! Another pint for Danny!'
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I got a 97.879.Unidian wrote:Go into a forum in which people think of themselves as "geniuses" and refer to basic scientific facts (such as evolution or what color is) 100 times. Average the number of times such facts are ignored, disputed, or misunderstood. The result will be 99, or something quite close.
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According to Dr. Gene Ray's research, this discussion is educated stupid and evil.
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Then, for the first time ever, Dr. Gene Ray is wrong. One could certainly call this discussion "stupid and evil" if they were so inclined, but to call it "educated" given some of the proclamations made within it would be a grave error.According to Dr. Gene Ray's research, this discussion is educated stupid and evil.
But regardless, the fact remains that quantum mechanical acausality is bastardly queer and dooms Nature and future youth to a 1-corner Unenlightened hell.
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