"Enlightened" AND Obese and Indolent?
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"Enlightened" AND Obese and Indolent?
Is that even possible?
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You see, that's where you're wrong. A person may be physically fit as an animal might be fit and yet be as unenlightened as an animal, however a truly enlightened person knows how to control the physical.Tharan wrote:In the same way that Unenlightened and Fit Cardiovascularly might be possible.
That's why the fatuous and obese cannot be "enlightened".
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I actually agree with Xero here, though the indolent part is somewhat dependent on how indolence is being conceived. However, there's no way an obese person could be enlightened - with the following exceptions:
# the person's mentality changed after they became obese.
# the person's obesity is a consequence of clinical problems such as thyroid screw-ups.
Hmm, those are actually the only two exceptions I can think of. Is it really necessary to explain why an obese person would not be enlightend? I wouldn't have thought so.
# the person's mentality changed after they became obese.
# the person's obesity is a consequence of clinical problems such as thyroid screw-ups.
Hmm, those are actually the only two exceptions I can think of. Is it really necessary to explain why an obese person would not be enlightend? I wouldn't have thought so.
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Dan, fat doesn't get in the way of thinking. It's only the processes that lead to obesity that can indicate lack of wisdom (obsession with food, etc.) -- as you yourself showed through your examples. But there are many reasons a person may be obese, and not all of them are within the control of the person.
In fact, I can just as easily imagine someone in the peak of physical health being unwise (obsession with exercise or appearance); as well, people of average body type are also just as prone to unwise behaviour.
Frankly, wisdom is such a rare phenomenon that it would be near impossible to establish a direct link between body type and wisdom. You can only make educated guesses (he would be concerned with health, so would likely not be over-the-top fat).
As far as "indolence" is concerned: a poor factory worker may be seen as lazy by his employers, or a poor student may be seen as lazy by his teachers -- the same employers and teachers who would shrivel at the thought of sitting in a chair thinking about one topic for a few hours. Whereas, it's likely the very same poor factory worker/student would have no problem armchair philosophizing.
In fact, I can just as easily imagine someone in the peak of physical health being unwise (obsession with exercise or appearance); as well, people of average body type are also just as prone to unwise behaviour.
Frankly, wisdom is such a rare phenomenon that it would be near impossible to establish a direct link between body type and wisdom. You can only make educated guesses (he would be concerned with health, so would likely not be over-the-top fat).
As far as "indolence" is concerned: a poor factory worker may be seen as lazy by his employers, or a poor student may be seen as lazy by his teachers -- the same employers and teachers who would shrivel at the thought of sitting in a chair thinking about one topic for a few hours. Whereas, it's likely the very same poor factory worker/student would have no problem armchair philosophizing.
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Sure, but I think I made that point. In most cases, however, obesity is the result of a mentality that is not conducive to thinking. The one qualification I'd add to that is that the resultant suffering caused by that mentality may possibly create a paradigm shift in that person's perspective. That of course is potentially the case with all egotistical behavour.Trevor Salyzyn wrote:Dan, fat doesn't get in the way of thinking. It's only the processes that lead to obesity that can indicate lack of wisdom (obsession with food, etc.) -- as you yourself showed through your examples. But there are many reasons a person may be obese, and not all of them are within the control of the person.
I agree. I would put most really fit people in much the same category as the obese. Xero will hate that of course, since he likes to run....In fact, I can just as easily imagine someone in the peak of physical health being unwise (obsession with exercise or appearance); as well, people of average body type are also just as prone to unwise behaviour.
Again, agreed. Such a person would tend not to overly abuse his body, but neither would he be obssessive about it.Frankly, wisdom is such a rare phenomenon that it would be near impossible to establish a direct link between body type and wisdom. You can only make educated guesses (he would be concerned with health, so would likely not be over-the-top fat).
Yeah, the indolence part of Xero's post is pretty nebulous. He'd have to expand on his point for it to make any sense to me.As far as "indolence" is concerned: a poor factory worker may be seen as lazy by his employers, or a poor student may be seen as lazy by his teachers -- the same employers and teachers who would shrivel at the thought of sitting in a chair thinking about one topic for a few hours. Whereas, it's likely the very same poor factory worker/student would have no problem armchair philosophizing.
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I gained about 20lbs eating nothing but two packs of ramen and four pieces of toast a day for a semester... (which is the only way I found to eat for $1 a day)Dan Rowden wrote:I don't think living soley off noodles will ever make you obese. You'd have to eat more of them than your budget could afford.
besides, Ramen may not really be the point - healthy food is significantly more expensive than unhealthy. Fruits and veggies are ridiculous - I very very rarely get them at all.
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Generally though, i think the best form a wise person could take is a voice and words like honey, or golden yolk, that runs down into every crevice.
All their activities could be metaphors in the alert mind.
I like the idea of the plain ordinary joe - no different to anyone else, and does what everyone does. Yet also does what everyone else can't, namely, be completely empty and float like a cloud above everything, good fortune or bad.
All their activities could be metaphors in the alert mind.
I like the idea of the plain ordinary joe - no different to anyone else, and does what everyone does. Yet also does what everyone else can't, namely, be completely empty and float like a cloud above everything, good fortune or bad.
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I don't think it makes sense to equate the sense world with the mental world in this context. I agree they're the same in a philosophical way, but when we go to enact change in the physical world it makes sense to separate them in order to clarify what's effective and what isn't.I agree, yet the sense-world is the mental world. So it can be a mine-field of philosophical attachments. Like a website full of interactive scripted objects.
I see philosophizing and acting as completely different activities with different conceptual requirements. With acting you want as many different categories as you can manage, but it's the opposite with philosophizing when you're trying to peer into their underlying substance.
Yeah, I know what you mean.Generally though, i think the best form a wise person could take is a voice and words like honey, or golden yolk, that runs down into every crevice.
All their activities could be metaphors in the alert mind.
Yeah, I also think of the plain ordinary joe as someone who responds to the situation spontaneously without reliance on rules and that sort of thing.I like the idea of the plain ordinary joe - no different to anyone else, and does what everyone does. Yet also does what everyone else can't, namely, be completely empty and float like a cloud above everything, good fortune or bad.
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Oh, then, my bad. But the depiction is still pleased obesity. Maybe it's supposed to represent fullness of understanding or something. Pretty weird, anyway.Trevor Salyzyn wrote:The Laughing Buddha (Fat Buddha) is not the same as Guatama Buddha (who is believed to have been a real person, and is the supposed founder of Buddhism). Fatty exists only in mythology and prophecy.
Statues of Guatama depict a thin man with crossed legs and a serene expression.
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