Enlightenment Made Easy!
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In order to suffer you have to buy in to it..
it's a big ticket item.
serves a purpose.
club membership.
'Ain't it awful about........'
it's a big ticket item.
serves a purpose.
club membership.
'Ain't it awful about........'
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Dennis, do you remember life before disillusionment? Surely you were born into it.
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Conceptualization always results in inseparable pairs of concepts (polar, or dual, pairs) because every concept has an opposite.
I bet you have too.
the dread of nothing is beautiful because what appears is made lustrous, exquisite.
It's how it is 'listened'.
Coming-to-Be and Ceasing-to-Be'.
Nevertheless,
there's 2 truths or points of view both of which report like a journalist.
there's the I-object reporting its worldly experience.
The Immanent is reporting from:
Not-I,
the Universe is Myself.
The Immanent is reporting a point of view called 'the ultimate truth' or perfect wisdom.
I've always found completion in detachment.Dennis, do you remember life before disillusionment? Surely you were born into it.
I bet you have too.
the dread of nothing is beautiful because what appears is made lustrous, exquisite.
It's how it is 'listened'.
Coming-to-Be and Ceasing-to-Be'.
Nevertheless,
there's 2 truths or points of view both of which report like a journalist.
there's the I-object reporting its worldly experience.
The Immanent is reporting from:
Not-I,
the Universe is Myself.
The Immanent is reporting a point of view called 'the ultimate truth' or perfect wisdom.
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I went to the store and bought oranges: concepts used, where's the polarity? I love existence: concepts used, where's the polarity? I love dry wine: concepts used, where's the polarity?Conceptualization always results in inseparable pairs of concepts (polar, or dual, pairs) because every concept has an opposite.
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A point of view.
conceptual
inferential cogniser.
conceptual
inferential cogniser.
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You didn't answer my question. Where's the polarity?Dennis Mahar wrote:A point of view.
conceptual
inferential cogniser.
There is no difference between the point of view of ultimate truth and the subject conceptualizing its truth. They are one and the same reality. "All souls are mine saith the Lord."Nevertheless,
there's 2 truths or points of view both of which report like a journalist.
there's the I-object reporting its worldly experience.
The Immanent is reporting from:
Not-I,
the Universe is Myself.
The Immanent is reporting a point of view called 'the ultimate truth' or perfect wisdom.
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Non conceptual.
Put it this way.
Conceptualising mind filters appearances in to categories and names so everything is laid out in little boxes.
non conceptual mind knows all the categories and names and also knows everything is laid out in little boxes by conception.
pink ones and blue ones and primrose too
little boxes. little boxes
have you had the dream about opening all the little boxes,
exciting!
empty boxes.
Put it this way.
Conceptualising mind filters appearances in to categories and names so everything is laid out in little boxes.
non conceptual mind knows all the categories and names and also knows everything is laid out in little boxes by conception.
pink ones and blue ones and primrose too
little boxes. little boxes
have you had the dream about opening all the little boxes,
exciting!
empty boxes.
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In a mental hospital, you may encounter people who claim to be teapots and other such items.movingalways wrote: There is no difference between the point of view of ultimate truth and the subject conceptualizing its truth. They are one and the same reality. "All souls are mine saith the Lord."
The self is only known correctly when it is unassigned.
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And the people who claim to be teapots and other such items experience the effects of these causes and conditions which is to be in a mental hospital. The wisdom of causality is mirror wisdom. Conceptual reality can be ignorant as well as wise.TheImmanent wrote:In a mental hospital, you may encounter people who claim to be teapots and other such items.movingalways wrote: There is no difference between the point of view of ultimate truth and the subject conceptualizing its truth. They are one and the same reality. "All souls are mine saith the Lord."
The self is only known correctly when it is unassigned.
Knowledge = assignment of concepts, therefore, a known self cannot be an unassigned self.
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Your belief that a filter exists is why you believe opposites and a polarity exist. You still haven't answered my question: Where is the polarity?Dennis Mahar wrote:Non conceptual.
Put it this way.
Conceptualising mind filters appearances in to categories and names so everything is laid out in little boxes.
non conceptual mind knows all the categories and names and also knows everything is laid out in little boxes by conception.
pink ones and blue ones and primrose too
little boxes. little boxes
have you had the dream about opening all the little boxes,
exciting!
empty boxes.
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In your prejudice
the protection racket
Dread of nothing
you don't read the responses because you are protecting something emotionally
a button is raw.
the protection racket
Dread of nothing
you don't read the responses because you are protecting something emotionally
a button is raw.
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Indeed. Since there are true ideas and misconceptions. But even misconceptions are true as misconceptions. This is the difference in the point of view of ultimate truth and the subject conceptualizing its truth, as you put it. Both belong, but one internally misrepresents how it belongs.movingalways wrote: Conceptual reality can be ignorant as well as wise.
How is a concept assigned, and to what? By a person, to oranges? These are themselves conceptual natures.Knowledge = assignment of concepts, therefore, a known self cannot be an unassigned self.
Form is known by formless knowing. Formless knowing is known by formless knowing. Formless knowing is the self, when the self is unassigned.
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In order to filter form you are generating formless categorically;
in such a way formless is thingified and becomes a religion.
just another form to be desired/feared.
that is,
form and formless are not the same conceptually.
form and formless are not different nonconceptually.
a nanosecond flash of insight.
The absence of a real referrant,
groundlessness,
nowhere to stand,
falling off the cliff
yoiks,
samahdi.
knowing conceptually is like the booby prize.
this generated illusion is simply wonderful.
a garden of earthly delights,
a stage for stagecraft,
the grass is green where water is, where water isn't not...dependent arising.... how cool is that.
astonishing.
conceptual mind is tool-being generating kinds of experience for the time being.
in such a way formless is thingified and becomes a religion.
just another form to be desired/feared.
that is,
form and formless are not the same conceptually.
form and formless are not different nonconceptually.
a nanosecond flash of insight.
The absence of a real referrant,
groundlessness,
nowhere to stand,
falling off the cliff
yoiks,
samahdi.
knowing conceptually is like the booby prize.
this generated illusion is simply wonderful.
a garden of earthly delights,
a stage for stagecraft,
the grass is green where water is, where water isn't not...dependent arising.... how cool is that.
astonishing.
conceptual mind is tool-being generating kinds of experience for the time being.
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You, derive-logic from a tool-box, but, the infancy is still there....One, cannot simply go about winning without the cover sheet.Orenholt wrote:Here's a basic understanding of Truth, Reality and Perceptions.
Logic>Empiricism
Contrast=subjective=illusion=empirical=Scientific
Consistency=objective=real=logical=Ultimate
Slavery IS Slavery = true (subjectively)
Freedom IS Freedom = true (subjectively)
Slavery IS Freedom = false (subjectively)
Slavery AND Freedom = false (Objectively)
Subjective: existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought (opposed to objective ).
Objective: intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book.
Truth that can be verified through consistency of empirical data is called a scientific fact. Truth that can be verified through consistency of logic is called an "ultimate Truth". Empirical data can only be consistent within its own context at best which is why Einstein said that "Reality is merely an illusion albeit a very persistent one".
It's kind of like if I write a book with a coherent story. Just because it "makes sense" for a character to do something like cast a fire spell at their enemy it doesn't necessarily have bearing in reality. It could be based on a true story OR it could be a work of total fiction, either way, it is not an actual event.
How do we define what's consistent? By contrast or lack there of.
Take the following picture for example:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GoFM_BtOvkI/U ... lusion.png
By our immediate senses we might think Square A and Square B are different shades because of the context. This is like empirical data. However if we look to the right we see that they, despite appearances within context, are actually the same shade. This is like logical truth.
This is where it may get tricky sounding.
All things (contents of the universe) are defined by their contrast to one another.
Light is brighter than the dark and fire is hotter than ice and so on.
The universe itself is defined by being "all that is".
So if the universe is defined as "all that is" it necessarily must be ALL that is, which means we cannot contrast it to anything.
If you think I am being inconsistent in this please point out where I am doing so.
If you think I am being consistent yet still somehow "incorrect" please explain.
TL;DR? Consistency = True, Contrast = False
There, is infinite possibilities that someone will clarify this.....by the end.
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Concepts are assigned by will to be (thinking-feeling) manifested as individual units of consciousness (subjective view). Which, by the way, is not the philosophy of solipsism as Dennis suggested I was presenting. Subjectivity of thinking can be called the self is one wishes, but from my experience, when the concept of self is introduced, it often produces marble-in-the-mouth duality struggles such as (I mean no disrespect in pointing this out):TheImmanent: How is a concept assigned, and to what? By a person, to oranges? These are themselves conceptual natures.
Form is known by formless knowing. Formless knowing is known by formless knowing. Formless knowing is the self, when the self is unassigned.
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Dennis, it is you, not I who is protecting something emotionally, your attachment/prejudice to the feeling state of bliss. Which means it is you, not I who has dread of nothing.Dennis Mahar wrote:In your prejudice
the protection racket
Dread of nothing
you don't read the responses because you are protecting something emotionally
a button is raw.
In response to my original post you said:
You made an absolute statement here. One that if you were willing to reason through would be revealed to you to be false. But, because you have decided that reasoning is unfruitful and bliss is the fruity be-all and end-all, you refuse to do so. You drop your concept bombs and then retreat to Candyland.Conceptualization always results in inseparable pairs of concepts (polar, or dual, pairs) because every concept has an opposite.
You liberally analyze me. My analysis of you: you are not ready to leave your fear of concepts.
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not that.
get off the grog.
get off the grog.
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You answered my post within a minute. I rest my case.Dennis Mahar wrote:not that.
get off the grog.
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A will is nothing but the conception of a self, i.e., desire to fulfill the conception of self. Suffering is the discrepancy between the idea of a self and the idea of its expression. There is no will without a self.movingalways wrote:Concepts are assigned by will to be (thinking-feeling) manifested as individual units of consciousness (subjective view).TheImmanent: How is a concept assigned, and to what? By a person, to oranges? These are themselves conceptual natures.
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You answered my post within a minute. I rest my case.
Case of chardonnay dionysius?
as if.