On the 'Blessedness' of Anger.....

[Bob Michael]

"Anger is a great quality, a classic quality, and one rarely evident today, for what people feel just now is usually resentment and bitterness, the telltale feelings of people who consider themselves imposed upon, who know that they are not getting their due, who feel small. True or classic anger, on the contrary, is that of a powerfully caged beast. Of a man, who, feeling his strength to the utmost, is continually outraged by the meanness, the self-seeking, the lowliness, the human vulgarity all around him. It's because he feels his strength - unlike most people today who feel only their weakness - that he is so magnificently angry." - (Alfred Kazin)

"If we are overwhelmed at some point by a great Parent (State), it will be because we will have renounced our emotion, ceased to be angry, ceased to be capable of anger. You must be able to transcend your anger in spiritual Communion. You must be capable of anger, of sensitivity, in the face of the utter human stupidity of this subhuman society in which we live. If you fail to maintain your understanding, your right appreciation, your right emotional response to the world as it is, and to yourself as you tend to be, then you will not be able to grow. One who is angerless is exploitable, he gives himself up to the Parent (State)." - (Franklin Jones)

[mental vagrant]

"Anger is a great quality, a classic quality, and one rarely evident today, for what people feel just now is usually resentment and bitterness, the telltale feelings of people who consider themselves imposed upon, who know that they are not getting their due, who feel small. True or classic anger, on the contrary, is that of a powerfully caged beast. Of a man, who, feeling his strength to the utmost, is continually outraged by the meanness, the self-seeking, the lowliness, the human vulgarity all around him. It's because he feels his strength - unlike most people today who feel only their weakness - that he is so magnificently angry." - (Alfred Kazin)

"If we are overwhelmed at some point by a great Parent (State), it will be because we will have renounced our emotion, ceased to be angry, ceased to be capable of anger. You must be able to transcend your anger in spiritual Communion. You must be capable of anger, of sensitivity, in the face of the utter human stupidity of this subhuman society in which we live. If you fail to maintain your understanding, your right appreciation, your right emotional response to the world as it is, and to yourself as you tend to be, then you will not be able to grow. One who is angerless is exploitable, he gives himself up to the Parent (State)." - (Franklin Jones)

The West is in quiet despair.

[Bob Michael]

The West is in quiet despair.

Despair is the human condition everywhere, though it's not all that 'quiet' as I see it.

[mental vagrant]

After time people become mute, suffering withers humans to total solopsism. Quiet because we are all indoors dieing alone.

[Bob Michael]

After time people become mute, suffering withers humans to total solipsism. Quiet because we are all indoors dying alone.

Surely we're in the last days, mv. It can't get much darker than it is, humanly speaking. Though I do foresee a bright future for man.

[Bobo]

I remember of you talking about love (as enlightenment?), a state of the heart, a love of what? If you did put things this way.

[Bob Michael]

I remember of you talking about love (as enlightenment?), a state of the heart, a love of what? If you did put things this way.

I have spoken of love; love of life, love of one's fellows, love of the universe and everything in it. However, in order to make the return to love in all it's fullness and glory one must also clearly see the dark side of things. Which is to also say All self-delusion must be eradicated from one's being.

[Bobo]

All self delusion must be eradicated from ones being. Hah, have you out of all self delusion?

[Bob Michael]

All self delusion must be eradicated from ones being. Hah, have you out of all self delusion?

Yes, I'd say so, Bobo. And from my own personal experience I find it takes a finely-tuned conscience and a strong stomach for the task.

[Bobo]

"love of the universe and everything in it." That pretty much takes hate out of the picture, and, consequently, anger?

[ForbidenRea]

'Impotent men rise and fall from-anger; solace; but, the enlightened ones are blessed'

Ruben Gabriel Luna

[Blair]

"love of the universe and everything in it." That pretty much takes hate out of the picture, and, consequently, anger?

Do you think anger leads to hate, or hate to anger?

"hate of the universe and everything in it." is an equally valid stance, is it not? love/hate mirror, nie-ther valid.

[Bob Michael]

"Deep contentment of being is encountered in existence only when love is present; the pain of existence lies in my having to hate; the emptyness of non-being is contained in the stale indifference in which I neither love nor hate. In love I attain the heights, in hatred and lovelessness I plunge downward."

"Without love, consciousness remains at a loss. Without love consciousness is reduced to the confines of emptyness and formality. Through love, the despair of limit situations is overcome. Inspired by love, ignorance turns into fulfilled reality; love is the bearer of ignorance while ignorance, in being born by love, is the expression of this love. Love is the return out of vertiginousness and dread, into the certainy of being."

(Karl Jaspers)

[Bobo]

Do you think anger leads to hate, or hate to anger?

"hate of the universe and everything in it." is an equally valid stance, is it not? love/hate mirror, nie-ther valid.

If you are proposing an absolute of either love or hate it tends to take out all other 'feelings', including anger. You may try to argue for secondary characteristics. Seeing this way I would put fear as one of the primary, but then we're talking 'bout the brainz.


So, Bob, how did you have realized that? (you were out of self delusion)

[sue hindmarsh]

Maybe Bob is saying something about understanding the self, and if he was to add comment to his use of quotes, we might get to know what that 'something' is exactly.

[sue hindmarsh]

Bobo wrote:

If you [Bob] are proposing an absolute of either love or hate it tends to take out all other 'feelings', including anger. You may try to argue for secondary characteristics. Seeing this way I would put fear as one of the primary, but then we're talking 'bout the brainz.

Fear is also an emotion. Understanding the self must, by definition, also mean understanding emotion. Emotion is the driving force of 'self'. Take away emotion and what is left of the self?

[Bobo]

Well, Bob do say that he is a twice born, and puts importance on one's having a lot of experience under the belt.

[sue hindmarsh]

Once should be ample.

If you haven't worked out what the self is by the time you're into your 30's, the best you can do is to try not get in the way of younger people working hard to understand.

[Bob Michael]

Maybe Bob is saying something about understanding the self, and if he was to add comment to his use of quotes, we might get to know what that 'something' is exactly.

I shall sit content to let those quotes speak for themselves, Sue. Attempts to further explain, analyse, or comment on them only tends to lead to more explanations, analogies, and commentary which very likely leads only to further confusion and non-understanding. One either understands them or they don't. Or they may come to understand them further down the path. That is if they are on the path, that being the path of self-understanding/self-overcoming. Which one begins walking upon in earnest only when he or she comes to the end of themself.

[Bob Michael]

Well, Bob does say that he is a twice born, and puts importance on one's having a lot of experience under the belt.

Yes, true or living wisdom springs from experience alone, Bobo. The INFINITE seeks not philosophers, poets, intellectuals, book-learned men of wisdom, metaphysical sharks, geniuses, trifflers and the like, but rather it seeks men of Action - men of real faith. True 'Knights of Faith' in the Kierkegaardian realm of things.

[uncledote]

"Anger is a great quality, a classic quality, and one rarely evident today, for what people feel just now is usually resentment and bitterness, the telltale feelings of people who consider themselves imposed upon, who know that they are not getting their due, who feel small. True or classic anger, on the contrary, is that of a powerfully caged beast. Of a man, who, feeling his strength to the utmost, is continually outraged by the meanness, the self-seeking, the lowliness, the human vulgarity all around him. It's because he feels his strength - unlike most people today who feel only their weakness - that he is so magnificently angry." - (Alfred Kazin)

"If we are overwhelmed at some point by a great Parent (State), it will be because we will have renounced our emotion, ceased to be angry, ceased to be capable of anger. You must be able to transcend your anger in spiritual Communion. You must be capable of anger, of sensitivity, in the face of the utter human stupidity of this subhuman society in which we live. If you fail to maintain your understanding, your right appreciation, your right emotional response to the world as it is, and to yourself as you tend to be, then you will not be able to grow. One who is angerless is exploitable, he gives himself up to the Parent (State)." - (Franklin Jones)

Great quotes, Bob.

[Bob Michael]

Great quotes, Bob.

My pleasure uncle. Here's another one:

"Why do you think anger is wrong? Because somebody has told you? Now why do you get angry? Because you don't want to be hurt - which is the normal human demand for survival. You feel that you should not be used, crushed, destroyed or exploited by an individual, a government, or society.....You say anger is bad and you condemn it, as you condemn various other feelings; so gradually you become arid, empty, you have no strong feelings at all." (J. Krishnamurti)

[sue hindmarsh]

Sue Hindmarsh wrote:

Maybe Bob is saying something about understanding the self, and if he was to add comment to his use of quotes, we might get to know what that 'something' is exactly.

Bob wrote:

I shall sit content to let those quotes speak for themselves, Sue. Attempts to further explain, analyse, or comment on them only tends to lead to more explanations, analogies, and commentary which very likely leads only to further confusion and non-understanding. One either understands them or they don't. Or they may come to understand them further down the path. That is if they are on the path, that being the path of self-understanding/self-overcoming. Which one begins walking upon in earnest only when he or she comes to the end of themself.

The use of quotes to restate your ideas in a different form is fine. It would be helpful if you first state your point.

Posting quotes and "letting those quotes speak for themselves" isn't discussion - and this is a discussion forum.

[sue hindmarsh]

Bob wrote:

Attempts to further explain, analyse, or comment on them [quotes] only tends to lead to more explanations, analogies, and commentary which very likely leads only to further confusion and non-understanding.

Wouldn't you agree that discussion can also be informative?

One either understands them or they don't. Or they may come to understand them further down the path. That is if they are on the path...

It depends on the quality of the mind behind the work you are quoting. I understand your chosen quotes and dismiss them as poor thinking when considering the nature of anger in relation to the self.

Below is a quote by Kierkegaard. In contrast, this quote describes how anger is a protective measure to ensure the preservation of the self:

The natural man can tolerate spirit for an hour when it is introduced very
guardedly at the distance of the imagination - yes, then it even pleases him.
But if it's moved any closer to him, so that it is presented with dead earnest as
a demand on him, then the self-preservation instinct of his ego is aroused to
such an extent that it becomes a regular fury.

[Bob Michael]

The use of quotes to restate your ideas in a different form is fine. It would be helpful if you first state your point.

My point (idea) was made in the thread title "On the 'Blessedness' of Anger", Sue. That is "Magnificent Anger". Without which a person is as good as dead. And regardless of how much or how little discussion they may be involved in. Magnificent anger preserves the soul, the human spirit. Praise the INFINITE for magnificent anger!!!