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Recite with me, Beloveds: Filii hominum usquequo gravi corde؟ ut quid diligitis vanitatem, et quæritis mendacium؟
Dennis: And after it ceases to annoy and bore, what the heck does it do then؟ Get up and do the dishes؟
Trevor: Okay, here's the Short Answer: the term 'absolute' is unnecessary. All you need to say is Reality. 'Absolute' is a term used 'round here as a means to limit conversation, to possess conversation, and also to enforce a hackneyed
modus on the nature and quality of the investigation [of reality]. I reject this term, and its use in
this manner. I am fairly certain that, in better circumstances (؟), far more honest (doesn't it seem to hinge on that؟) conversations on the theme of the nature of this existence and our presence within it could be had, and I am sure that the result of those conversations, at least for me, would be fuller, more relevant and useful, and inclusive of all of the domains of expression, for example poetry, or visionary experience, or with opening up the conversation to the contributions of philosophers who specialize, as does Berdyaev, in confronting the questions of existence in a rounder manner, and not quite in such an openly 'mathematical' manner as some here.
The use of the symbol of 'Hell' is, for me, rather apt, but I am fairly sure that the irony of the term is not grasped (this is an ironical question mark, is it not؟), because few here read very widely. In one sense, I use it quite ironically and with it riff off of Sartre's Huis Clos (
Huis Clos, "the French equivalent of the legal term
in camera, referring to a private discussion behind closed doors", but usually translated as No Exit or
Dead End), with that classic and quotable phrase:
"L'infer, c'est les autres" (Hell is 'the others' or Hell is who we're with, which means Hell is You), but another irony is to describe GF as a kind of Underworld where, for various reasons (karma؟) I am forced to visit, or perhaps it is my Mission to convert y'all؟ and I bring with me the 'blood' of life and all those 'ancient sacrifices' (Wallace Stevens: Sunday Morning) along with the product of the field, the Golden Wheat, and I sit y'all down and call you with my magnetic charms, and forcefeed you the Divine Eucharist, which magically cures you & sets you on a New Path & bit by bit Heaven descends into your body & at long last you do the most extraordinary thing: you
SMILE!
It is a ridiculous, over-the-top appropriation of the role of Savior, he who descended to the shadow-realm of the earth to 'free the slaves'. Another level of irony, and use of the symbol 'Hell', is that almost no one here has any intellectual preparation except in the most tendentious and particular sense, and to be here, and to attempt to converse, is like trying to converse with a group of retards (excuse me for putting it that way, in fact I do not at all regard you in this way). Can you imagine being stuck in close quarters with Dennis Mahar؟ I have never contemplated murder, and anyway it's far too messy, but in
that situation I would be forced, by Fate؟, to consider eliminating him. :-) That, Trevor, is Hell (!)", AND THAT, AT LEAST FOR NOW, IS WHAT ALEXIS"]'Alternatives to truth' is not how I would put it. I think you are conflating a mathematical or logical presentation with Truth, and to me this is literally childishness, and I quite simply reject it with no other consideration. Existing in this realm is not susceptible to the reduction of a mathematical equation, though for a certain kind of mind there is an attraction to doing just that. I cannot share with you what are my means and methods to understand 'truth' or 'meaning' because 95% of all I would employ to present my sense of it, is not anything you'd consider valid. One of the most interesting performances that is rehearsed on these pages is this drone-like Rehearsal of Agreements (what else to call it؟) such as, for example, is now being enacted by, say, Ryan and Cory. To me, that rehearsal has no meaning or use whatever, but for them it has
all the meaning and use in the world! Oh and finally, what begins to interest me more than settling any particular existential issue, or the terms for discussing it, is our
need to appear here, to forward our 'divinations' into the public arena.
Why do you do it, Trevor؟[/quote]
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Why should she give her bounty to the dead?
What is divinity if it can come
Only in silent shadows and in dreams?
Shall she not find in comforts of the sun,
In pungent fruit and bright green wings, or else
In any balm or beauty of the earth,
Things to be cherished like the thought of heaven?
Divinity must live within herself:
Passions of rain, or moods in falling snow;
Grievings in loneliness, or unsubdued
Elations when the forest blooms; gusty
Emotions on wet roads on autumn nights;
All pleasures and all pains, remembering
The bough of summer and the winter branch.
These are the measure destined for her soul. ---part of Sunday Morning, which is what Wallace Stevens wrote:The rest of which can be found
HERE.
[And isn't it interesting:
The Power of Questions!]
