prince wrote:Pincho Paxton wrote:prince wrote:They create results based on principles programmed into them.
You can only put some dots on the screen because a software script allows you to do so.
So what? That's like saying that soup can only reach boiling point because somebody put the soup in a saucepan, and put it on the stove. Nobody told the soup to boil.
You are missing the point. Nothing happens without intelligent intervention (into chaos).
Nothing. A computer does nothing unless its instructed. Likewise the Universe.
You aren't disproving God by "making" anything, you are proving him.
Perhaps in the sense of "self-limitation" theology. The idea is that in the beginning "God" was an infinite entity with no limited or finite qualities to it. Then God created something and then something else and so on, but each thing that God created limited the possibilities. For example God could not create an apple and a banana in the same spot. If God created certain laws governing physical matter then he could not contradict those laws. So in the very act of creation God limited itself, like a transposing of God's infinite power into the observable reality.
Let's take this idea a bit further. Let's say God wasn't really intelligent as we might think of intelligence. Let's say that God could create an infinite set of realities. Each reality would consist of one of the initial possibilities and follow from there with utterly random creations. In an infinite number of such realities there would invariably be this particular reality. Also we would be completely unaware of the existence of these other realities, most of which would never become anything anyway. Even within this reality with the laws as they are certain variables need to be precise. There could be a billion big bangs that collapsed instantaneously before one that took any form.
Supposing this was true and there was infinite possibilities originating from an infinite source. As observers existing in one of these realities we'll find a lot of very precise operations leading up to our own existence, as if it was planned (in a way it was). Another thing to consider is that no reality which does not contain an observer would have any appearance at all. So whatever this God is, whether its a set of infinite possibilities playing out in an infinite playground or a God manifesting itself as observable reality, the goal seems to be the same, to exist. Any success, as I suggest would appear to be so, the observer will feel like they are the purpose of their universe even if there are infinite others.
The problem with God being "intelligent" is that it introduces a whole new explanatory aspect. What does this mean "intelligent"? Does God have the ability to suspend its own intelligence?