GENIUS FORUMS

Can anyone else notice that i've just read a book on number theory. :)

Impressive post...very

Truths justification being circular...priceless realisation!

meaning of meaning aside; How can there be abstract things such as causality or the axiom of identity. It could be said that truths exist imanently in particulars as universals.This is whether you adopt idealism or realism. If causality existed apart from things then it would be totaly symetrical. I...

What do you guys think of my thought proscesses?
Not my ideas but the engine that generates them..is it flawed in some way?
I cant determine that myself as that would be to use that engine to justify itself...which is pointless

Hopefully D wont delete this thread. The search for meaning is the search for the answer to aggripa. Either a beleif system is built on : 1-Unjustified Axioms 2-circular justification or 3-Infinite regress of justifiers. Its seems clear that those are our only options.If you think on this it seems t...

Take the relation: A is A _________ 1 (express an identity) A is not-A ______ 0 (Doesn't express an identity) Not-A is A ______ 0 (Doesn't express an identity) Not-A is not-A ___ 1 (express an identity) It isn't functionally complete (express all relations). To have a functionally complete relation...

^but all that is concepts you say? well concepts are meaningless so they cant be concepts or rather what is it you are actualy saying if you are talking of meaningless things? like objective;also meaningless so i might as well use the term objective to choose "a meaningless thing" at rando...

Just to clarify, its hard to see how things can be multiplyed by each other.All we need to do is complicate this an incy bit but stating that the axi's are partial orders related by relations, these relations being the logical descriptives not ,or, nor,and....

Lets go with cartesian products shall we..:) The axiom of identity is actually an equivalence relations, meaning it is a relation mapping elements in a domain to elements in the range or codomain.It has other important properties such as being symmetrical, reflexive and transitive, more on this late...

We need to touch something without touching it. But this understanding, or need for understanding, or understanding of such need.... aren't you touching upon it? Consciousness "landing", confirming axioms, the world flowering and unfolding, all because you moved. It's not something to und...

.i.e. that of the concept which isnt a concept (nonsense again) called objective reallity. The usefulness of a cup lies on its emptiness. A cup full of dirt is as useful as a cup full of gold. But for the thirsty man... It seems we are no more near enlightenment about the nature of true reality tha...

Right...

I'm back :)

Sorry guys...i will be unavailable for some time indefinately. All your replies are based on "you cant deny concepts with concepts" I know that. All i'm saying is your analysis is inherently [edit]-->"in"complete and i've given reasons. I have given reasons for suggesting that th...

Diebert van Rhijn wrote: Because such rejection cannot be just conceptual

I've given reasons (conceptual ones) why it must be rejected.

Any concept of totality can ultimately be abandoned for that reason, as it's seriously limiting to keep looking at things that way. Isnt it also "seriously limiting" to veiw anything as merely a concept likewise? Because such rejection cannot be just conceptual , naturally. " such re...

But whereforth cometh this ultimate that i used in my last statement in the above post? It must be from an objective external scource, i introduce to you the first born of objective reality a universal; the "ultimate" and its second which is like unto it "truth". The last i leave...

if 1] "that ultimately things dont exist" was somehow equivalent to 2] "concepts are ultimately meanigless" If ultimate is a concept and a perspective then at that perspective (its own) it ceases to be meaningful by 2] so we cannot 1] predicate the non existance of things with i...

..Earlier i said concepts can only be about concepts which can only be about other concepts ad infinitum as being a consequence of the ultimate non existence of things. I take this back. For starters ,that ultimately things do not exist ,that ultimatality is a change in *perspective*. Things themsel...

Aren't concepts things? If they are t then the totality,being a a concept,must be a thing and therefore have form.hhh.huvg

...also..

All concepts can only be about other concepts which can only be about other concepts. It's simply another expression of the emptiness of things.so if ultimate is a concept,and concepts are ultimately empty then so is the concept ultimate meaning ultmateness is impossible

Can admin please delete the other thread. Hi ardy I see you are new here.some people here believe in a totality that exists and doesnt exist at the same time.apparently *it * exists ultimately.if ultimate,the universal,is a concept then nothing can exist ultimately or rather the totality is *a* conc...

Its a universal because you can say stuff like ultimately applied to many things.i.e. the 'same 'way

Ultimate cannot be ultimate if its merely a concept

...otherwise it wouldnt be ultimate.

//Cheap "realists" trick.

Hi chikoka. Despite the appearance that every reasonable explanation given to you seems to just bounce right off, I'll give it a shot :) Funny , i was just thinking the same of you guys :) I did say this though: At the end you even admit coming full circle again , spiraling of to another plane [sic...

chikoka wrote:Hi David

I know i addressed this to david , but if he isnt around maybe someone else could engage in debate with me :)