GENIUS FORUMS

Ryan Rudolph wrote:There are two types of creativity - the creativity of science/innovation/discovery, and the creativity of wisdom (seeing and experiencing reality as it is).

Not if you, like myself, define "two" as "fifteen", which happens to coincide with my ultimate wisdom more coherently.

In other words, it's impossible to fully transcend the body of animal instinct. So to a degree, we have to work with them. Indeed, and there is no reason to try and transcend the body of animal instinct unless your animal instincts really suck and you want to rationalize your superiority. Edit -- O...

That Ubermensch is free , and thus creates (and is free because he creates). As I said, you try to fit Ubermensch into the zero-sum worldview. We cannot assess the sum of life or the world. Perhaps you could clarify what you mean here. You, on the other hand, paint Ubermensch as a bandit, nothing m...

It depends on how you defend creativity, I define creativity as the ability for the mind to consistently describe the way things are in reality, without any sort of emotional distortion then one's mind needs to have a relationship with 'what is' which is beyond passion altogether. So when does it b...

Some bird of prey. You are weak , kid. Not evil (you aren't strong enough to be evil) -- just weak . You are playing pretend. This really has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. P.S. Nietzsche is like a bible -- you can find his quotes to support many different things. He is nothing of not i...

Creativity is certainly not "what is" though. If you stay within your secure quarters you will never find new things.

Christian morality aims to make all equal and mediocre -- complete absence of creativity.

That's your problem, kiddo -- you see the 'untamed man' as foisting it upon others! You can be untamed all you want. You can choose your own hardships, like in that Brave New World quote. Go into alaskan wilderness with a magnifying glass and a good knife, and experience hardship! Go live in Africa...

Agreed Boyan.

Rationality = security and predictability.

Creativity, virtue, greatness, etc, all had some irrational element to them in Nietzsche's view.

Eliminating all passion and intuition is simply a form of protection from the harshness of life, an avoidance of suffering.

Alex, I will pick up Brave New World, it looks interesting, and maybe the other too, though I have way too much on my to-read list right now, I could sit for a year doing nothing else. Ayn Rand was pretty ridiculous. Victor, Do you see your place in that story? Discouraging the untamed man -- "...

vicdan wrote:Did you notice how it's all we to Nick?

Did you fail to notice it was a quotation from Beyond Good and Evil? And you got the wrong name....

The point though is not simply to be better than other people and show that you are better. If you're a Buddhist, it is to enlighten yourself as well as others. While you can't do this for other people directly, you can steer them in the right direction, I guess there are infinite directions though...

I don't think, really, that the point is to create disasters per se. That is a little like creating a rollercoaster to experience something thrilling. However, this is not a real experience, for two reasons. First of all, you created it, secondly, you know what the outcome is going to be. Staged di...

Isn't the point to be able to take care of each other. Why do people pursue anything? Well, in America it's a different story, it's all about consumerism. That is simply an ideology maintained to support the economy in this time, but if everyone had what they needed and they could pursue their arti...

See, the problem with relativism is that your view that relativism is superior, is itself wholly relative. Sorry, I don't see any real problem here. This sounds akin to David's objection that the claim that "there is no absolute truth" is a claim to "absolute truth" (whatever th...

Kevin Solway wrote:All models are necessarily infinitely removed from the real thing. This is because all models are finite, whereas reality is infinite.

LOLOLOLOLOL.

You believe knowledge is a good thing because it raises the standard of living, brings about technology, reduces suffering, etc. Are these good things though? I view them as bad things. Don't get me wrong, knowledge is definitely something I pursue, but I don't want everyone else to have it. Why? T...

It is true in general terms that the desire to 'make life better' is to make life more comfortable , and that we strive toward comfort , but this comfort (reduction of pain and conflict for example) is not necessarily the best thing for us. But I propose to you that Nietzsche's medicines cannot be ...

And every enlightened person knows that suffering is good -- hence Buddhism, the very purpose for being of which is to maximize suffering. Dude, you are a bloody screaming idiot. I don't know what you are talking about anymore. Buddhism is about evading suffering as is your morality. You believe kn...

And how else do you propose to determine what constitutes the world being a 'better place'? Based on our own values, whether the majority agree or not. What is "better" is simply a value judgment. You may view peace as better and I may view war as better. is this comment meant to be an ar...

"Better" according to your standards maybe And the standards of people who like decent life expectancy, 40-hour workweek, and not having to deal with a third of their children dying before reaching adulthood. Is this comment meant to be an argumetum ad populum or appeal to sentimental not...

I agree with Philosophaster.

I suspect your "intelligent people" are intelligent to the extent that they don't fit into the world, and their desire not to have children follows from their inability to do so.

There is a "real infinity"? Nope, it is just a concept, in fact it is just the opposite of the concept of a thing with boundaries.

The teaching at this forum is basically the will to death, the will against life. You fit in well. "Life is suffering, therefore we should renounce all life because suffering is bad ." Isn't this basic nihilism? Yes. They have no meaning in life, so they want to make life meaningless to r...

You can say the same about science for example, but science has undeniably made our world a better place. "Better" according to your standards maybe. Knowledge and science are things that should probably be kept away from the low class or the slaves, lest they become smarter than their ma...

No. My knowledge that "our experience falls infinitely short of all the information in the Universe"... "There are many things I don't know." ...is something I have arrived at through purely logical reasoning, and is not based on empirical measurements and experience. From this ...