GENIUS FORUMS

Again, you have not once come close to demonstrating that humanity has "fallen" from anything. One must be highly-sensitive and then become totally dead to the 'self' and all its old conditioned thoughts and ideas in order to come to clearly see the tragic reality of the human condition a...

At a later stage of my life, I found myself walking the streets of Reading, PA. No longer insouciant, I didn't see much of what Leonard sees, and I wonder why Bob sees what he does. Only a highly-refined and courageous human organism can clearly see the awfully unpretty picture of the reality of th...

Carl Jung was deeply impressed by a Pueblo chief he met on a vsit to New Mexico in 1924-5. The chief described the alarm that white Americans inspired in him; "See how cruel the whites look", he said. "Their lips are thin, their noses sharp, their faces furrowed and distorted by folds...

"And so I walk the streets, aware of the pervasive ugliness of the people in this most fortunate nation (USA), the lines of hurt and anxiety and greed around their eyes and mouths, the imbalance of their walk, the deformation of their bodies. Oh no it is not genetic. Civilization has twisted an...

"There is some basic flaw in man." (Nietzsche) Indeed there is, but Nietzsche, in all his brilliance and deep insightfulness, never quite put his finger on it. Nor has anyone else thus far. J. Krishnamurti perhaps came the closest to figuring it out, but he lacked the strength and the cour...

"Nietzsche conceived a terrifying picture of the modern world - a picture which has been steadily repeated ever since. He saw the decline of culture - with education replaced by mere educational knowledge; he saw the universal play-acting which helps us to compensate for the lost substance of o...

You seem like a person who will complain how the world ignores his needs and wishes, when all you really have to do is learn how to say please and thank you. And sound like you mean it. I'm not complaining, cb, nor am I at all ungrateful, just clearly and fearlessly observing and pointing out the t...

If he (Gurdjieff) like "everyone" else who has set upon the path of uplifting others has failed, I am not clear on whom it is you compare him with. Primarily myself. How do you justify the standards with which you make an assessment like that? By my own long and hard earned standards. Sta...

The claim about disciples he left is preposterous as you would have no way way of knowing it even if it were in fact the case. Secondly, you are now calling his methods "tricks and gimmicks" while just a few posts ago you said: "Seems no one here is sensitive enough or awake enough t...

In that sense "human life" is being threatened not by monsters but by clinging to a "worn out" perception of human nature and human being, and all what needed to be in place for him to thrive. No matter what the reason may be, the ongoing and ever further deteriorating dehumaniz...

"There is nothing which is more necessary and precious in the experience of human childhood than parental love.....nothing more precious, because the parental love experienced in childhood is moral capital for the whole of life....lt is precious, this experience, that it renders us capable of e...

"Enlightened beings" would understand that almost none who seek their aid in enlightenment are in any way ready or prepared or able to achieve such a goal. Therefore, they offer such seekers ways to begin the journey. Gurdjieff left no disciples behind of his own caliber or greater. So al...

David Quinn wrote:Wasn't it Oscar Wilde who said, "Each man becomes what he hates"....?

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You don't believe Wilde do you, David? My hatred of the darkness has resulted in my coming to be a Light. Something which our dark, dark world sorely needs. Though granted much of the world will hate such a Light.

Tomas wrote:Show me the love

In order to see, feel, and embody the love one must have the courage for the truth.

The Vision of the Dehumanized Society of A. D. 2000 (From 'The Revolution of Hope: Toward a Humanized Technology' by Erich Fromm - 1968) What is the kind of society and the kind of man we might find in the year 2000, provided nuclear war has not destroyed the human race before then? If people knew t...

I have read a lot of Gurdjieff and it is my view that while it is fine to quote him out of context, one can really only appreciate his ideas if one keeps Gurdjieff himself in the historical context in which he worked and lived. I suppose I'll continue to be "out of context" or "misre...

"Humanity is fast asleep - trapped in interacting patterns of individual neurosis and collective psychosis ." (Gurdjieff) It couldn't have been any other way. The Human species successfully evolved for these very reasons, and will also be its undoing. Agreed, and I've stated often that th...

"The crowd" is really what I have aimed at polemically, and that I have learned from Socrates. I want to make men aware so that they do not waste and squander their lives. The aristocrats take for granted that there is always a whole mass of men who go to waste. But they remain silent abo...

Hey Bob, I actually agree with you. Putting up with unconsciousness and not confronting it directly for the sake of money is not ideal. But to live the full ideal with everyone you encounter, one needs to disregard all negative consequences related to survival that comes to oneself including loss o...

Seems no one here is sensitive enough or awake enough to realize that everywhere men are machines, and are consequently as good as dead. I suggest studying some of Gurdjieff's works. Though without having sufficient sensitivity even this will be but a thing of vanity. "Humanity is fast asleep -...

On 'Understanding' Nietzsche..... The conditions under which any one understands me, and necessarily understands me, I know them only too well. Even to endure my seriousness, my passion, he must carry intellectual integrity to the verge of hardness. He must be accustomed to living on mountain tops--...

Bob, forgive me if I have made this point before, but you seem to lack a frame of reference. For you to view humanity as fallen, you must first establish in your own mind where it has fallen from. I contend that you might have taken off your rose-colored glasses but you clearly have not mislaid the...

You just don't seem to get it, TA. Nor can I make myself any clearer regarding the matter. I suspect you, like the vast multitude, lack keen organismal sensitivity and enough years of life under your belt, both of which are necessary in order to clearly see the tragic nature of the fallen human con...

"Nietzsche is the only great philosopher I can think of who actually got through the dogged stoicism and managed to rebound completely from total nihilism into a sense of total optimism." (Colin Wilson) ______________________________________________________________________________________ ...

As it is, and with too much of mass destruction human life may be gone, and with too little we may still be in billions. Doesn't this make part of yours discriminations. Do you envision the ark future and stuff? My focus is solely on creating an Ark of Light, a Golden City, if you will, inhabited b...