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by RobertGreenSky
Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:35 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Speaking of Nagarjuna ....
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Re: Speaking of Nagarjuna ....

I've added it to my growing collection.
by RobertGreenSky
Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:40 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Speaking of Nagarjuna ....
Replies: 13
Views: 5376

Re: Speaking of Nagarjuna ....

David, You can save those pieces to your computer although the Batchelor Fundamental Wisdom , by far the most important of the works, is arranged absolutely deplorably. It is one huge page and it is without hyperlinks. I bet you have regulars at Genius Forum who could sensibly arrange it. Just the o...
by RobertGreenSky
Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:33 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Speaking of Nagarjuna ....
Replies: 13
Views: 5376

Re: Speaking of Nagarjuna ....

David, These days it's harder to find translations, except in books which are becoming outrageously expensive. Here are some, including Fundamental Wisdom for your readers who don't have it. Causality and Emptiness, The Wisdom of Nagarjuna , in .pdf, has The Good Hearted Letter (To a Good Friend), T...
by RobertGreenSky
Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:26 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

[... Meditation is simply direct awareness. What distracts from direct awareness? Nothing other than thought. - Nat] Sorry, that's just a case of trying to live in the moment. A false Zen. It's good for easing the anxiety levels of aimless people, and can trigger some altered states every now and t...
by RobertGreenSky
Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:48 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

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It is because A=A is permanently valid that 'samvriti' and 'paramartha' can be distinguished. ... I'm not sure what that guy is trying to say, but it sounds dubious. Nagarjuna would be performing a miracle if he could somehow prove things without using reasoning based in the principle of A=A. He wa...
by RobertGreenSky
Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:16 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Speaking of Nagarjuna ....
Replies: 13
Views: 5376

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While there is some good thinking in this material, authorship by Nagarjuna of those and other pieces is disputed by scholars. There exist a number of influential texts attributed to Nāgārjuna, although most were probably written by later authors. The only work that all scholars agree is Nagarjuna's...
by RobertGreenSky
Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:38 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

Nagarjuna is speaking some sense here. Note the, "Without knowing how they differ, You cannot know the deep", bit - this is the application of A=A in a nutshell. And the last bit is true as well - "Without intuiting the sublime, You cannot experience freedom." That is, without understanding and bei...
by RobertGreenSky
Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:20 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

I prefer Chuang Tzu to Zhuangzi, and Lao Tzu to Laozi, and Tao to Dao, but times are changing - 'Ch' is easier to type than 'Zh', too. I guess this means that there is a push to standardize the phonetic spelling of Chinese sounds. What does Huang Po become, I wonder? - Huángbò Xīyùn I guess in simp...
by RobertGreenSky
Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:35 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

The difference is that Zhuangzi (or Chuang Tzu to us mortal folks) did it with intelligence, compassion and skill. He promoted wisdom with this activity. He didn't set about trying to make it harder for people out of spite. - David I prefer Chuang Tzu to Zhuangzi, and Lao Tzu to Laozi, and Tao to D...
by RobertGreenSky
Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:08 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

Diebert is oblivious and he is now set on ignore.
by RobertGreenSky
Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:33 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

Everything is real and not real. Both real and not real. Neither real nor not real. That is Lord Buddha's teaching. - Mûla-madhyamaka-kârikâ 18:8, quoted in Garfield (1995: 102) Robinson (1957: p. 294), building on the foundations of Liebenthal (1948)[22] to whom he gives credit, states: What Nagar...
by RobertGreenSky
Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:04 am
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Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

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'Knowledge in the pursuit of Tao is explicitly rejected!' is an unfortunate way of putting it. Again, we must approach conventionally but the fruition lies in a dimension beyond thinking. People like Diebert consistently ignore the purport of Nagarjuna and Laozi despite its presentation here. Everyt...
by RobertGreenSky
Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:14 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

You do have some insight (and Robert too, although he constantly obscures it with his emotionalism and defensivess), which means that you did once board the rocket booster at some point in the past and shot upwards to some degree. - David to Unidian You also have some insight. Finally - after six y...
by RobertGreenSky
Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:28 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

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[You are] ... rubbishing the process of abandoning delusions, kicking spiritual concepts, mocking great truths, undermining the value of reason ...

- David to Unidian

What a fine description of Zhuangzi that would make.
by RobertGreenSky
Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:15 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

Nat is only posting because Robert is here. That's an attachment that Nat has yet to deal with. Cut him some slack. Laird, Nat, and I were chatting in Skype last night and I wondered why Unidian hadn't been posting. Nat did post and nicely so, as always. Nat has posted here in my absence and probab...
by RobertGreenSky
Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:01 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

Okay, I'll concede a little ground to you, in the hope that you will also concede a little ground to me. I grant you that there is a particular sense in which the conscious opening up to the Dao does involve going beyond all thought. In other words, we might be able to agree on the general principl...
by RobertGreenSky
Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:57 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

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I never read Sex and Character - who in their right mind would, absent necessity. All those who endlessly comment second-hand on all but everything. I don't have to read the entire work to criticize it - quotations were made and if you'd like to support the lunatic then why don't you do so? As to w...
by RobertGreenSky
Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:23 am
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Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
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Views: 54617

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David, You stand by everything you wrote in the debate? I stand by some of what I wrote. I certainly admit that in the companion thread I had a fit about Weininger. Weininger had intolerable prejudices but he also suffered mental illness and he ought to be an object of some pity. He was a very sick ...
by RobertGreenSky
Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:59 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

Well me neither, then. I can do a colon and a capital d whenever I feel like it.

And if you weren't so full of yourself you'd admit how much you liked my joke.
by RobertGreenSky
Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:53 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
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Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

I kind of thought the smiley gave it away. Anyhoo... I didn't see the smiley until after I'd posted, and I'm being truthful. My eyes are worn out today; the Internet is becoming somewhat unpleasant in that respect. There are times I can only half read whatever is up. Again, I did not mean to be obn...
by RobertGreenSky
Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:43 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

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Meh, as usual, Robert, it seems you are the only one who can prod mischievously and make jokes. You are possibly the greatest example of a give it but can't take it person - ever. Get over yourself already. Oh I'm sorry of course and I wondered whether you were joking, but on this forum, and tonigh...
by RobertGreenSky
Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:36 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

... more for his benefit than anyone else's ... - Dan When in solitude I rarely think of Nagarjuna. More often I think of Old Chou, who brings me smiles. More attachments! Do they ever end with you, Robert!? :) Give it a break, Dan. Pity you don't understand him. As it is, 'QRS philosophy' is a bas...
by RobertGreenSky
Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:20 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

... more for his benefit than anyone else's ...

- Dan
When in solitude I rarely think of Nagarjuna. More often I think of Old Chou, who brings me smiles.
by RobertGreenSky
Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:07 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

Re: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy

Robert, it's clear that you are still way out of your depth in these matters ... Incidentally, for those who are interested, this is the same Robert Larkin with whom I had a formal debate a few years ago on another forum ... - David It's amazing you'd choose to be so pretentious given you've saved ...
by RobertGreenSky
Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:15 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Arbitrary absolutism: the values of the house philosophy
Replies: 574
Views: 54617

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... the chatter is related to food, sex, hierarchy and anything passing, anything which excites the animal mind. There are larger more penetrating and self-deflating thoughts, more tuned to the infinite, which you and perhaps all the overly meditated appear so hostile against. - Diebert Diebert, yo...