GENIUS FORUMS

Matt Gregory wrote:This thread reminds me of a saying: if all you have is a hammer then everything looks like a nail.

Matt;

A hammer is a tool, useful for solving some problems. What are the problems you see? And what tools do you use to solve them?

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clyde

It’s not surprising that here, on a forum that engages in analysis of concepts, that “do no harm” would be subjected to scrutiny. I understand and accept this. Analysis and logical manipulation of concepts equals reasoning . That might explain the difference in reception then! Diebert; Yes, i...

Matt Gregory wrote:Whatever seems most appropriate to me. Right now, I'm attempting to show why Truth is more valuable than not harming anyone.

Well, I’m certain you will not be harmed in the attempt.

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clyde

I congratulate you on gaining and applying wisdom and that “all [your] actions have been compassionate”. You are already embodying “do no harm”. Would you still consider me to embody "do no harm", if my compassion necessarily requires me to deliberately cause myself and others to ...

Matt Gregory wrote:Anything not generated out of a wise understanding of Reality is in conflict with wisdom. I really don't care if what you say is in conflict with Buddhism or not.

Matt;

Fair enough. What “wise understanding of Reality” will you present?

Do no harm < http://donoharm.us/ >,
clyde

The path I'm taking is simply, my path . My path does not encourage any of those things, all three are absolute necessities. As I've traveled my path, my ego has endured suffering, I have applied and gained wisdom, and all my actions have been compassionate. Nick; Yes, we are each on our own path a...

As you have expressed concern that some might be harmed, it seemed appropriate to inquire if you had been harmed. Have you? Since I understand how harm (suffering) is caused I'm in the position to evaluate and explain how your line of thinking is causing 'harm' to people. But as I said before harm ...

Yes, I do make it personal. I can share with you what I experience and understand, and I can report to you what others share with me, but I cannot say how “most will interpret it”. It would be interesting to know what others outside this forum shared with you about their interpretation of your ...

Matt; You wrote that you “hold [Buddhism] in high regard”. The Buddha taught the Four Noble Truths of Suffering. The Buddha taught the Eightfold Noble Path which includes Right Speech and Right Action. The message “do no harm” is not in conflict with these teachings. Do no harm < http://dono...

Sounds like a group for a bunch of panzys who are affraid to hurt people's feelings. This means that essentially your group is all about the preservation of the ego, when in fact the path to enlightenment leads to it's destruction. So your "religion/group" is actually totally incompatible...

Diebert; You asked, Do you ever wonder if your phrase might actually harm your cause more than it does good? I don’t think you have been adversely effected. Have you? Should I be concerned that you may be adversely effected? Do you notice how you're making it about you or me each time without any...

Matt; You did not state which teaching you follow or what practice you do. And you have not stated whom you consider enlightened. Some consider Gautama Buddha an enlightened human being. He is reported to have said: 270. He is not noble who injures living beings. He is called noble because he is har...

So tell me, how come you guys are trying to start yet another religion when there are already tons of religions out there preaching the exact same thing and even in a more complete and more deeply considered way? How does anyone (besides you two) benefit from joining your movement in particular? Ma...

Why should I practice your method when it's totally incompatible with the pursuit of enlightenment, which is what I'm working towards? What is it going to do for me? Matt; While I do not believe that “Do no harm” is “totally incompatible with the pursuit of enlightenment,” I wish you well o...

Matt; Are you are pursuing enlightenment? If you are, then is reading and replying to posts part of your practice towards enlightenment? If you are, do you drink and eat? How do you obtain things to drink and eat? How do you prepare things to drink and eat? Are those activities part of your practice...

Diebert;

You asked,

Do you ever wonder if your phrase might actually harm your cause more than it does good?

I don’t think you have been adversely effected. Have you? Should I be concerned that you may be adversely effected?

Do no harm < http://donoharm.us/ >,
clyde

Matt; I believe the root cause is ignorance, ignorance of our true nature and the nature of reality. Of course, for enlightened geniuses “do no harm” is unnecessary. They have realized their true nature and the nature of reality, so they are naturally mindful and exercise wisdom and compassion. ...

The kind of people that resonate with the message are typically either (a) those too shallow and duplicitous to integrate it into their lives, that would drop it the moment their attachments come under threat, meaning it will do little or no good, or (b) the kind that could be engaging in wise harm...

Diebert; David introduced the term “wise harm”, so I’ll leave that for him to reply. There is no debate (with me) that suffering is part of life. I have explained that “do no harm” is not about perfection, but about minimizing suffering as not all suffering is necessary nor does all suffer...

If an ignorant person suffers because of false distinctions, how do you think they are likely to apply mindfulness through your “do no harm” message that causes you to conclude that message will be beneficial. For instance, how does a woman who is suffering domestic violence embrace the necessa...

. Rhett: A thing is that which is conceptually separated from that which it is not. Clyde: Yes. So when one ceases conceptualizing ‘enlightened people’ and ‘unenlightened people’, then one may see clearly. You've indicated agreement with my point, but you've then gone on to completely disag...

Leyla; The message is everyone. This is from the web-site (reflections: http://donoharm.us/_wsn/page3.html ): I am attracted to “do no harm” because it may be understood by children as well as adults, by the simple-minded as well as the intelligent, by non-believers as well as believers, and by ...

OK, clyde, I need to clarify something. Was this part of your post meant to mean something/facilitate a point or can I ignore it and just address the remainder because I can't make any sense out of it: As I wrote to you earlier, Quote: “Do no harm” works where there is suffering; i.e., where on...

Leyla; As I wrote to you earlier, “Do no harm” works where there is suffering; i.e., where one can distinguish between harm and no harm. “Do no harm” does not work where there is no suffering, but no thing works there! Those statements can be generalized to address your well-taken point: “...

Elizabeth Isabelle wrote: . . . "Choose wise harm" leaves people who are likely to be without much wisdom to figure out which harm is wise.

Perhaps that is reason enough for the message “do no harm.”

Do no harm < http://donoharm.us/ >,
clyde