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Iolaus; While my question was directed at those who have proclaimed their enlightenment, I am interested in your thoughts on this and anyone else who wishes to share their thoughts. Do no harm < http://donoharm.us/ >, clyde p.s: Katy, if by “philosophy” you mean the literal love of wisdom and no...

I am disappointed. I asked, Without debating who is enlightened and what is enlightenment, but accepting the “who” and “what” of those who proclaim their enlightenment and their understanding of enlightenment, my inquiry to those who make such proclamations is this: Does your enlightenment e...

Dan; You asked, Enlightenment does NOT afford a particular ethical or purpose paradigm. How could it? Your next sentence is, It stops ignorant behaviour. Isn’t that a change in behavior? Isn’t that the principle of an ethical system? . . . Stop Ignorant Behaviour! How do you discern ignorant beh...

I think you're referring to The Ten Bulls. See:
http://www.zenandbusiness.com/10%20Bulls.htm

Do no harm <http://donoharm.us/>,
clyde

Dan; It was not my intent to represent or misrepresent what enlightenment is. You wrote, No, enlightenment doesn't really effect these things. If there is no difference in behavior between an ignorant (unenlightened) human being and an enlightened human being, then one cannot discern between enlight...

Yes, one could discuss who is enlightened and what is enlightenment, but that is not my intent. Without debating who is enlightened and what is enlightenment, but accepting the “who” and “what” of those who proclaim their enlightenment and their understanding of enlightenment, my inquiry to ...

So you’re enlightened. What are you going to do? How are you going to live that is in conformity with your enlightenment?

Do no harm <http://donoharm.us/>,
clyde

Diebert; I was not familiar with Balsekar or his teachings, only the quote. I do not support teachers who require or expect property or services from their students. Regarding the quote, it should be apparent from this thread that I support examination, logic and reason. That said, I like the imager...

Diebert; Thank you for affording me the opportunity to present my understanding of “do no harm”. It has been a challenge and a pleasure addressing your concerns and questions. Words must be used like stepping stones: lightly and with nimbleness, because if you step on them too heavily, you incur...

Diebert; I wrote in an earlier post, “Do no harm” is not a religion or a group, unless you call two friends who promote “do no harm” a group. And, “Do no harm” is not a new idea. It is certainly expressed in many philosophic, religious, and spiritual traditions; so, “do no harm” is n...

DISCLAIMER : “Do No Harm” in not associated with any organization or religion. It is non-sectarian. I am a Buddhist sympathizer and understand “do no harm” in terms that are meaningful to me, but “Do No Harm” is not based on or limited to my meager understanding. Do no harm < http://don...

As they sat there, the Kalamas of Kesaputta said to the Blessed One, "Lord, there are some priests & contemplatives who come to Kesaputta. They expound & glorify their own doctrines, but as for the doctrines of others, they deprecate them, revile them, show contempt for them, & dis...

Diebert; You wrote, Liberation is about understanding and living truth. Doesn’t “living truth” mean acting based on truth and isn’t that the exercise of wisdom and compassion? That is what “do no harm” means to me, acting with wisdom and compassion. You may object and insist that the wor...

Today, Thursday, November 23, 2006, is Thanksgiving Day in the United States. Other countries and cultures have similar days of giving thanks. In observance, I urge you and everyone else reading this post to promote “Do No Harm” as a way of “giving thanks”. I invite you and everyone else rea...

Diebert; I have repeatedly stated that harm is not defined as one’s personal experience of suffering, but the suffering experienced by others. And I have repeatedly stated that “do no harm” is not the avoidance of one’s personal suffering, but refraining from actions (or non-action) that cau...

Diebert; It appears to me that we have focused on four main issues, three of which we have discussed in some detail. You continue to assert that I have written that harm is the personal experience of suffering and “do no harm” is the avoidance of one’s personal suffering, but that is not the c...

Diebert; The non-doing of any evil, the performance of what's skillful, the cleansing of one's own mind: this is the teaching of the Awakened. The word used for "evil" just as well translates with "sin", "error" or "demerit". By quoting this here you imply tha...

Diebert; Teach only the root of ignorance, not yet another morality even while it might be perceived as some universal "law". Is your world so small that there isn’t room enough for both? Obviously there's room but that doesn't automatically mean they are both working toward the same goa...

We don’t need any special realization to know what gives us more pleasure or more pain. But the realization however is to understand how both pleasure and pain are attachments that form the suffering. This insight doesn't come automatically during the experiencing of what we classify, on a rather...

Diebert; Also, the point of the message “do no harm” is not to ignore our experience of suffering, but to act with attention, understanding and empathy (in other words: with mindfulness, wisdom and compassion). In the end, I believe our disagreement here is that you see “do no harm” as a de...

Diebert; Also, the point of the message “do no harm” is not to ignore our experience of suffering, but to act with attention, understanding and empathy (in other words: with mindfulness, wisdom and compassion). In the end, I believe our disagreement here is that you see “do no harm” as a det...

Pye;

Thank you for your kind and encouraging words.

Do no harm <http://donoharm.us/>,
clyde

Diebert; I used the terms “distress” (note the ‘dis-stress’) and “disease” (note the ‘dis-ease’) to keep within the metaphor. I could have written, “a wise doctor recommends medicine that may initially cause the patient suffering, but ultimately cures the cause of suffering. Such a...

Dan; I'm not sure that's really true. People gain a great deal of "pleasure" (i.e. egotistical benefit) from bad feelings and they have no conscious understanding of the fact. Yes, some people do gain pleasure from bad feelings and aren’t aware of that, but they know when they are feelin...

Diebert; I don’t know whether an animal experiences stress, but if some animals experience fear, then I would answer: Yes, I think some animals experience stress. So the ability to experience a sensation in a body, you relate to the degree of experience of stress? It seems you are saying here the ...