GENIUS FORUMS

Let me add another observation on the enlightenment process. A logical system functions with axioms and derives theorems from these. In the real world axioms are largely unnecessary. The truth of something( insofar it is required for life) can be known with sufficient accuracy by a process of observ...

Wisdom and foolishness can't be integrated, since they are opposites. Similarly truth and untruth can't be integrated. The human mind will behave with foolishness at times, but there is also the underlying wisdom. Enlightenment consists in not rejecting the foolish parts but accepting them and even...

It's possible to achieve a certain amount of harmony by disposing of logic and intellect altogether. "Ignorance is bliss". The kind of harmony a cow has grazing in the field. But this doesn't give us a good idea of how wise the cow is, or how accurate his perceptions are. The harmony I ha...

Keep in mind that the definition of genius you will find in dictionaries is made up by non-geniuses. Well language is merely used to communicate concepts, so this was the conception I wished to convey and the dictionary meaning fit well I say that a person is a genius to the degree that they speak ...

Enlightenment Vs genius Consider the definition of genius from Google # someone who has exceptional intellectual ability and originality; "Mozart was a child genius # brilliance: unusual mental ability # ace: someone who is dazzlingly skilled in any field # exceptional creative ability # flair:...

Ankit, If intellectual understanding of delusion is the first step, what should happen next? If conceptualization of reality is the hurdle to enlightenment, have you considered Zen, or read The Three Pillars of Zen? The next step is to courageously examine, the concepts that bind one. A through exa...

Your message is contradictory, Ankit. If intellectual understanding is the first step to enlightenment (and I agree that it is), then counselling people to avoid thinking - which is what you essentially did in point (4) - and to somehow avoid conceptualizing Reality is very foolish. What it means i...

Since the post has wandered off the main topic, let me reiterate. 1)Intellectually understanding delusion is just the first step towards enlightenment. This understanding can be had (by reading and introspection) from innumerable books, and material from past and present. 2) If one wants to deepen o...

David's assertion, about Ashton being a postmodernist clone does not ring true. Both are talking about the same things. While Ashton seems to be saying that people, having got the impetus should now go do the "field work", and stop theorizing and discussing, David says both must go hand in...

Ashton reminds me of V from V for Vendetta(The comic not the movie).

Doctors are asked to "first do no harm," why not lawyers, businessmen, religious leaders and politicians? Why not us? Why not now?

And do the doctors, not do any harm since they are asked to?

I was under the impression that she had left Richard some time ago and had since repudiated his philosophy. Why do you think the list closed down? - He has another companion named Vineeto, I thought she was his wife. Anyhow lots of people made big issue of the fact that she said that enlightenment(...

The actualfreedom list was abruptly closed down recently. I was following that list and it seems that a lot of people caught onto Richard's wife and questioned if she was virtually free( given that there was a semantic contradiction in her posts). This issue went on for a while and the list was clos...

If there is truth to the whole business the seeker can find for himself, why trouble him with your opinions. For the same reason that the sages of the past gave teachings, rather than leave people purely to their own devices. The best sages kept reminding people to look into their true nature, than...

The hijacking and ongoing nonsense of this thread reminds me of the cacophony of crows I hear in the morning in a tree behind my house. Goes to show you what happens when you tell a bunch of girls that logic makes them manly. Indeed this is one of the reason this forum is so useless for enlightenme...

I agree with you Ankit. What is going on here is some sort of intellectual masturbation in the form of: "I am without delusions." Computers are actually superior at logic, but they will never be enlightened. They can also conceptualize in mathematical dimensions that are beyond human bein...

Nevertheless an enlightened person has more wisdom than an unenlightened person. That is, he has a personal "I" which is enlightened, in contrast with another person's "I" which isn't. Is ego using "enlightenment" for its own gains? Surely you mean the mind is more att...

Philosophical reasoning can either be used to build up more concepts (which is essentially what academia does), or it can be used to undermine concepts (which is genuine philosophy). It also seems that the "enlightened", here are adding useless conceptual realities. For example the whole ...

If a person allows himself to get lost within concepts, and, as a result, wanders even further away from reality, then he can hardly be described as intelligent, can he. I would say that intelligence as defined traditionally would be the speed at which one can grasp and manipulate abstract concepts...

logic is our only connection to truth/reality. For example, there are many experiences we can induce with our minds, but if the experience can't be verified logically there's no way of knowing what it is, whether it's an hallucination or insanity or ultimate reality or what. Logic is the only thing...

The intelligent are no closer to enlightenment than the dull, in fact they are probably a lot further away ensnared in their own mires Yes indeed, what keeps humans from enlightenment is the conceptual overlay on reality. The intelligent would value and be highly attached to such concepts, and thus...

Enlightenment is, perceiving one’s true nature directly and not perceiving one and the other through concepts (or the mind). Since ones true nature is not dependent upon forming any logical views or arguments about it, I question the utility of this forum for an enlightenment seeker. Such a person...

In Hindu and Buddhist literature, it is said that supernatural powers(siddhis) sometimes develop naturally as a result of spiritual practice, like quieting the mind, and concentration. These powers are the hidden potentiality of the mind and are unlocked as the mind goes past the superficial layers ...

ThroughAir wrote: Then one just stumbles upon being enlightend?

Yes much like learning a bicycle, efforts lead to effortlessness. Since enlightenment is the most natural state, it would be immediately apparent to one. Further if you are sincere you can tell if you are lying to yourself.

I also felt a bias against females, in this forum and site. It seems that the sages here mean the masculine principle as the rational part, the feminine principle as the more intuitive emotional part. They are promoting the logical part, as the fast road to enlightenment. However, in my experience b...