GENIUS FORUMS

Can anyone demonstrate that given all other necessary criteria’s a falling tree does not make a sound if there is no one to hear it? Yes. What is a sound? Dave, I think you misunderstand me because of a missing question mark? "Can anyone demonstrate that given all other necessary criteria’...

David wrote: DQ: The truth of 1+1=2, for example, doesn't somehow become false when no one is around to conceive of it. S: In effect it means that that is not a mental construction but rather exists in Reality. Is that right? No, it's definitely a mental construct which disappears when no one concei...

David, Thanks for giving me such a wide choice! Hmm, I'll choose that one. No, one cannot choose, one is caused to, hence one is caused to choose. Wouldn't it be so? Am I actually choosing anything at all? No. Hence I am not responsible for my choices that seem to be so. I think it was Maharishi who...

David, The truth of 1+1=2, for example, doesn't somehow become false when no one is around to conceive of it. In effect it means that that is not a mental construction but rather exists in Reality. Is that right? The trouble is, none of the things existing within the Totality can ever seperate itsel...

unknown wrote:

THINK!.

Why?

Yes, there is nothing else, but wouldn’t Nature, Totality depend on what constitutes it? May be it is dependant not with-out, but “with-in”. Self-dependant to say the least, dependant nevertheless. So the ripple in the pool asks himself if the pool is maybe dependent on the water in it? Or wo...

I think you make perfect sense, unknown.

unknown wrote:Ask questions, never agree or disagree.

Why?

David wrote: An absolute truth, then, is one that is necessarily true in all possible worlds. It is not something which is only true for certain perspectives and not others, or in certain circumstances and not others. It is true in all situations. Then, how about in the absence of consciousness? Or ...

Leyla,

I don’t see any reason in complicating the matter.

Well, I agree to that.

No, no, NO. It’s flippen-well irrelevant,

If it is irrelevant, then you are right, no sense in complicating it any further.

Thanks for the head-fuck, though. :)

You are most welcome, I enjoyed it too :)

Leyla, To me, the Totality encompasses existence and non-existence. What is non-existence? What given moment? The moment it was perceived -- primary act of perception -- or the moment of the actual, A=A-things-as-they-are information of an event? The moment we thing it is actual and specially here a...

Sapius, DQ: Okay, let's go back to basics. Where exactly do you begin? S: Sure, to the basics then. Good question, but I hope you understand my answer. Personally, I begin the moment I'm self-convincingly certain that “I” do not inherently exist. Do I need say more? On the other hand, philosoph...

Sapius wrote: DQ: As I say, we have no beginning or end. That is why our finite existence is unreal, and why our real nature is nothing other than the infinite nature of God. Sap: Sorry for the interruption, but I think it is delusional to even think that we have no beginning or end simply because ...

David wrote: As I say, we have no beginning or end. That is why our finite existence is unreal, and why our real nature is nothing other than the infinite nature of God. Sorry for the interruption, but I think it is delusional to even think that we have no beginning or end simply because the underly...

Analog

I agree that causality is NOT accidental. But that leads to the question, is there a first cause?

Do we know how energy came to be?

LooF wrote:that is essentially "enlightenment"

to see all as it is, and be it as well.

how hard it is to achieve that!

It is as hard as you think it is, otherwise, logically, there should be no trouble at all.

Leyla, So, existence is determined by the perceptions, thoughts and conclusions of others? Interesting. No. Are you determining existence for and to that dead person? Perceptions and the Nature given capability of logical and deductive reasoning confirm that our experience of existence is not nothin...

Leyla wrote: OK. So, for the purpose of as absolute clarity as is possible, what you're saying is that our existence has more to do with the brain and, at best, little to do with the mind. Is that right? You are more your brain than your mind? I think I have heard you saying that somewhere else befo...

The distinction is not beetween 'accidental' and 'on purpose', but between 'accidental' and 'essential'. Even then, as far as reality is concerned, nothing is accidental nor essential. I don't see what is the difference here. The existence of dinosaurs, or humans, or any particular thing, are not d...

Unless you believe that things come into existence only when perceived, and hence irrelevant. Yes, I think that's a good description of homosapien existence, don't you? And, following such primary acts of perception, are greater zones of influence, prediction, causation, effect. No? What relevance ...

It's accidental in the sense that Nature had no intention to create intelligence or consciousness. These things just evolve into being by chance. Nature cares not one whit whether intelligence/consciousness exists or not. Thus, you can see that it is indeed meaningful to speak of intelligence arisi...

Synapse, ......it was once again a pleasure to take part in daily pleasures. In my personal opinion, I find that thinking logically and truthfully is one of the most satisfying daily pleasures one can come across. In fact, it gives new meaning and absolutely different perspective to all other experi...

Is this another way of saying that you no longer have any interest in becoming enlightened? Life has no point, therefore I will settle back into being a cow .... is this what it has all come down to? - No, in fact it means just the opposite. It provides all the confidence in exploring and perusing ...

Synapse, But, what is enlightenment?? And what do you do with it? What does one do with the mind's eye fixed in the eternal while physically stuck in the temporary? IMHO, it is nothing more than achieving a clear non-contradictory picture of the most fundamental questions regarding existence. It pro...

David wrote: It's accidental in the sense that Nature had no intention to create intelligence or consciousness. Who ever said anything about Nature having any intentions? It is not wise to assume. These things just evolve into being by chance. Like in the throwing of a dice? Nature cares not one whi...

Leyla wrote: What has any when the tree may or may not possess to do with the setting off of the deductive process and its here and now? Nothing. But, the primary act of perception in the here and now is for the self only, not for the actual information of an event that was perceived, which was in t...