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Movingalways: Wisdom cannot "do its work" of extinguishing the suffering of The Born without first intuiting the concept of The Born, the concept of suffering, the concept of extinguishing and the concept of The (nonsuffering, nonextinguishable) Unborn. No vision = no movement (of The Caus...

Russell: Diebert: So the question is perhaps not "can we really conceptualize the infinite" but "can we really do anything else"? B1: Finally, I mean WOW. After all the hurdling over infinitesimals. Now we are getting real close. Are you ready to talk turkey yet or do we need to ...

Diebert: Diebert: Why "all" characteristics or particulars? B1: Because that is what a logical concept is Diebert. Do you exclude all things from the infinite? If you are going to have a concept of the infinite - it must - of necessity - include all possible worlds. Diebert: A strange requ...

The purpose of enlightenment is sanity. It is not sane to declare; "I can conceptualize what has no limits, borders, form, measurement, comparison, velocity or position. I can comprehend what is incomprehensible." To declare this means you have allowed the ego to dominate your mind. It is ...

Wouldn’t that mean the infinite, rather than being the continuity of finitude , is bounded by finite things? I wouldn't say it is a continuity, because it never began. It is bounded by finite things in the sense that it wouldn't be the infinite if any finite thing were *excluded* from it. Another q...

A finite thing cannot by itself be either itself or other finite things, so all there is left for it to be is the infinite. In other words, the infinite is not a finite thing, but any finite thing is the infinite. True, a finite thing must be one thing or another. I do not understand how that leads...

Actually Beingof1 is right in saying that the Infinite cannot be conceptualised in the same way that finite things are. A literal concept of the infinite would have to be fundamentally different from other concepts, and indeed other things, which is not possible. Then you say this to me: Your argum...

Diebert and Leyla, The problem here is in defining what a concept is. Lets do that so we can be on the same page. How I was defining a logical concept: A concept is an idea of something formed by mentally combining all its characteristics or particulars in conjunction; a logical construct. Now - rat...

Diebert: B1: If you apply boundries to the infinite, you are not speaking of the infinite. The real problem here is you still think you are a small part of reality. Pop the bubble already. Diebert: Then you are not speaking of the infinite. You are speaking of problems, parts and reality. See, poppe...

Whenever you engage someone you come from 'here's another scalp for the belt'. All philosophy is like that. Taking no prisoners. Killing the bull (shit). My own scalp has always been the first, old unshaved hippie! Diebert is telling you the truth here Dennis. He does not like having his scalp take...

Diebert: Nobody said the infinite is limited. You said it couldn't be conceptualized, which means: forming a concept out of a set of observations, experiences, insights and so on we might have. But of course we can conceptualize it: this way we can start to verbalize. In order to have a concept, you...

Cory Duchesne I agree roughly with Meister Eckhart: "All God wants of man is a peaceful heart." I guess by God he must be all of us. Who doesn't want to be treated with respect? And you're right, there is a lot of repetition. If you can't help but remember a wrong that was done against you...

Leyla: The infinite is not a logical construct because it transcends the law of thought and defies two of the laws of thought. 1) The Law of Identity: A is A or anything is itself. 2) The Law of Excluded Middle: Anything is either A or ~ A 3) The Law of Contradiction: Nothing can be both A and ~A. T...

Diebert: B1: How is undefined a limitation(for infinite)? Do tell. D-man: Because it's limited in terms of being defined like "things". To impose a limitation on something means you restrict or confine it to, well, to any qualification or containment. When you describe something as "u...

Movingalways: One indeed can grasp the concept of the infinite, not with their mind of empirical analysis of course, but with their spiritual intuition or "ears" of Wisdom. The point I was making was; the infinite is more than the mind can conceive. To say, for example;one can grasp the un...

Leyla: B1: Is it a 'thing' we are talking about? Is the totality a thing? Leyla: Sure, if you step out of the limitations of Buddhist philosophy and into structuralism... Can you do that? One trick pony? Thing - defined by Webster in the context of structuralism. a : a separate and distinct individu...

Diebert: Beingof1 wrote: Something just came from nothing. and Is it a 'thing' we are talking about? D-man:You tell me! You introduced the something and the nothing in the conversation! Diebert said: Not "nothing" but just something you cannot know fully. By all means; tell us what this &q...

Leyla: B1: Quieting the mind and going between all the words and images in the mind - a thought pops into existence. Something just came from nothing. Leyla: It did? So, the body disappeared, too? Or is that some sort of disconnected nothing? Linear thinking again? Are there spaces between each word...

Experience is dependent or contingent on something, you are right. Quieting the mind and going between all the words and images in the mind - a thought pops into existence. Something just came from nothing. None can conceptualize the infinite and neither can one conceptualize the consciousnesses tha...

Hi Movingalways,

What aspect of experience would be dependent if any?

That's fair enough; so long as one can establish that they're true limits. It's a sign of basic sanity to both acknowledge and accept such things if they're found to be so. I agree with you on that point. I am curious Dan, not looking for a fight (honest injun). What Limits are there to your experi...

Thank you Leyla and good discussion.

Leyla: B1: Most men confuse the "male ego" with the identity of who they are. They are gullible enough to allow others to determine the identity as this is tied into appearances. Leyla: I would like to get away for a moment from this artifact of religious buddhism, this be-all and end-all ...

Hi Being, we have seen eye to eye at times and it's cool. I can certainly forgive your enthrallment with certain religious expressions and theology :-) I forgive you also - you may kiss the ring ;) Perhaps you can help here. Somewhere in this thread I tried to explore the subject of dukkha, the Bud...

Leyla: Are men “male egos”, children or small animals? I could argue that I am a phallic woman, which would make me a male ego, and then you could ask me if I am a cannibal. Most men confuse the "male ego" with the identity of who they are. They are gullible enough to allow others to deter...