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by guest_of_logic
Tue May 10, 2016 4:23 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Impossible to know with accuracy
Replies: 215
Views: 10878

Re: Impossible to know with accuracy

Forget it, then, John. It's obviously pointless trying to talk with you. By the way, I think Bernardo's ideas are flawed, so I would have hoped you could come up with something better. I guess not (I know, I know - you could show us if you wanted to, you just don't).
by guest_of_logic
Tue May 10, 2016 3:33 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Impossible to know with accuracy
Replies: 215
Views: 10878

Re: Impossible to know with accuracy

OK, here's what you get: feedback on your ideas, the possibility of improving them due to the input of others, and the possibility of inspiring or teaching others, which most people like to do. But if none of that interests you, and if you're not interested in giving without receiving either, then y...
by guest_of_logic
Tue May 10, 2016 3:22 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Impossible to know with accuracy
Replies: 215
Views: 10878

Re: Impossible to know with accuracy

Now, for what reason should I do any of what you suggest? (Not inclusive of the reasoning you provided, which assumes a great deal of egotism, or that I'm trying to 'get people on board'.) The reasoning I provided simply assumes you're here to participate in good faith. Discussion isn't about "what...
by guest_of_logic
Tue May 10, 2016 7:34 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Impossible to know with accuracy
Replies: 215
Views: 10878

Re: Impossible to know with accuracy

I think I'll instead just go kill an ant I can see on my bench. *Seconds later* Damn. That's one tiny dead fucker. So you've turned into a troll? How sad. I remember your idealism when you first arrived on the forum. Here's the thing: in the time I was active, I didn't see you manage to convince ev...
by guest_of_logic
Tue May 03, 2016 4:35 pm
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Impossible to know with accuracy
Replies: 215
Views: 10878

Re: Impossible to know with accuracy

Thanks for the reply, Russell. I hope you're well. I won't respond in turn because my post was something of a drive-by, I wasn't planning on getting into an extended exchange. Will now retreat back into the woodwork... One more thing before I do though. @John (Seeker), I wonder whether you'd be inte...
by guest_of_logic
Tue May 03, 2016 4:08 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Impossible to know with accuracy
Replies: 215
Views: 10878

Re: Impossible to know with accuracy

The whole definition of 'non-attachment' is a ridiculous, foreign intrusion (IMV). One can speak of sacrifice-of-self but it has to be to something or toward a greater value, and the only (real) values that can be defined are threefold: 1) our biological self and inheritance, 2) our cultural inheri...
by guest_of_logic
Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:04 am
Forum: Worldly Matters
Topic: Music that moves
Replies: 1082
Views: 117164

Re: Music that moves

Absolutely. I bought her album "Til the Casket Drops" last night, it's fantastic. You've introduced me to a few new artists, Cahoot, I tend to look forward to your postings in this thread.
by guest_of_logic
Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:06 pm
Forum: Worldly Matters
Topic: Music that moves
Replies: 1082
Views: 117164

Re: Music that moves

Oh my God. ZZ Ward. Now *she* is proof of evolution.
by guest_of_logic
Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:51 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

Deebs, I have lost patience for this exchange, not to mention that I have other commitments that prevent me continuing. Too, it is frustrating that you do not accept facts. I will simply sum them up in this post, and leave it at that. In Buddhism, animals, including insects, are considered to be: * ...
by guest_of_logic
Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:22 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

Diebert, Maybe this will help you comprehend how animals suffer pain : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDu_yUM8sMo I couldn't watch more than a couple of minutes of that, even though I've seen much of the footage before. It's horrific. John, *this* is the type of animal suffering that concerns me, a...
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:33 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

Laird, your quotes do not help you much if you'd study them and compare them more. Why, because some of them add a few qualifications about the attributes of animals considered to be sentient? That's pretty minor, Deebs, really, and hardly the show-stopper you seem to want to make it out as. I'll r...
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:12 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

Russell wrote:The full time job makes samsara quite hard to avoid, and the girlfriend makes it impossible to avoid.
I would never have guessed that you had not only one of those attachments, but both! Not with your devotion to the cause.
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:10 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

Diebert van Rhijn wrote:That has nothing to do with the topic at all.
Huh? It directly addressed the challenge you put to me, which Kunga was kind enough to take up for me: "Show me some link about the insects first!"
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:04 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

But when we strip away all medieval elements, it becomes clear that sentient beings are humans, seemingly exclusively. You are quite simply dead wrong on this, Diebert, and it's really quite astounding for one supposedly well-read in Eastern philosophy. Aside from everything I have already put to y...
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:19 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

Ah, fruitarianism, right? How's that going for you? I've had to modify it. Originally, and for a while there, I was eating only raw fruit, seeds and nuts. When I went travelling, though, I found myself tempted back into cooked food - I just couldn't seem to sustain myself on a raw diet. So now, I h...
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:44 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

Russell, can you elaborate on why/how we project our likeness onto animals "to feel good about ourselves"? It's a combination of emotional self-affirmation and herd mentality. You can see it here in this thread. It's easy to believe oneself to be 'good' due to shared fondness between people and the...
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:03 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

Russell, can you elaborate on why/how we project our likeness onto animals "to feel good about ourselves"? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'm genuinely uncertain as to what you mean. As for the practice of Buddhism having nothing to do with animals, I think you are referring to the quest to atta...
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:34 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

Well, the original point which is now becoming lost is not whether animals are capable of practising Buddhism, but whether (in general and according to Buddhism) they suffer, or, in other words, are subject to dukkha. Diebert introduced sentience and the skandhas for some reason that isn't precisely...
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:12 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

It would seem odd to me too if I hadn't seen similar statements elsewhere in my research on skandhas, hence my reprisal of my earlier comments to Diebert. I don't need to hear from a pet whether skandhas apply to it - they self-evidently do, as I described in my previous post to Diebert. Go ahead yo...
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:35 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

Something else for you and Diebert to consider, Russell, from the root Buddhism article on Wikipedia, under the heading, "The Three Marks of Existence" - the following quote: "By analyzing the constantly changing physical and mental constituents (skandhas) of a person or object, the practitioner com...
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:32 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

Oh, but I am neither Christian nor Buddhist, Russell, and (as follows from that) my opinion is not mainstream to either of those religions. I have my own understanding. It was Diebert who first raised in this thread the word "mainstream". I am only following up on that reference.
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:07 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

So then why doesn't it say exactly that, Russell? "Sentience is reserved for the human species". But it doesn't. I don't know, Laird, to keep people like you guessing? I ain't guessin', dude, I know that in mainstream Buddhism, animals are regarded to be sentient. You can deny this if you want, but...
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:37 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

As for why there is "desire to equate humans with the rest of the animal kingdom", I can only speak personally: I see animals suffering in much the same way as humans suffer, and avoidably, due to human cruelty, and I desire to eliminate that avoidable suffering. Does that make sense to you?
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:33 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

I extend the same challenge to you, Russell, that I extended to Diebert: find me a reputable Buddhist source that asserts that *only* humans are sentient. I bet you can't. But I also bet that in the search, you will come across dozens of sources that include animals and insects as sentient, that you...
by guest_of_logic
Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:30 am
Forum: GENIUS FORUM
Topic: Animals and nirvana
Replies: 259
Views: 14181

Re: Animals and nirvana

So then why doesn't it say exactly that, Russell? "Sentience is reserved for the human species". But it doesn't. Follow the links I offered in my previous post that demonstrate that the skanhdas are not purely human phenomenon. Wikipedia might mention only humans, but this is not to limit the skandh...